BRING BACK THE DEATH SENTENCE PLEASE......

[BingoBango]

Because state-sanctioned killing is a repulsive thing, and a very dangerous road to go down. This isn't the 19th century any more: we're better than that.

Strangely enough, through history it's been the God-botherers who've been very vocal supporters of capital punishment.

Better as in, we release our murderers so they can kill again ? Or if their crime was so heinous as to cause complete revulsion within society, we give them a new identity.
That's what I find repulsive.

Moral relativism, eh? I really don't like that..

The number of murderers who are released and commit another crime are minimal - such crimes are mostly spur of the moment. And most die in jail.

Take a look at the list of countries which allows capital punishment: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, China, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, USA, Vietnam, Yemen

That's not a list I'd want to be any part of. Not being on it makes me quite proud, actually (coincidentally, their crime rates are still high)

By allowing the death penalty, you are basically saying 'it's okay to kill in certain circumstances'. It's not, and revenge is for children and the emotionally stunted.

 

[stony]

The question I want to ask is do we execute everyone that has killed?

If the answer is no, then who, or what, decides on which life that is lost is more deserving of the greater punishment?

And that is the crux of the matter for me.

Judge and jury, same as now.

 

[BingoBango]

The question I want to ask is do we execute everyone that has killed?

If the answer is no, then who, or what, decides on which life that is lost is more deserving of the greater punishment?

And that is the crux of the matter for me.

No-one should have that power.

 

[stony]

The number of murderers who are released and commit another crime are minimal - such crimes are mostly spur of the moment. And most die in jail.

Absolute tosh! Most murderers do not die in jail. Life isn't life. The cnut who killed that baby will be out before he's fifty.

revenge is for children and the emotionally stunted.

Revenge is a natural human emotion and if you're saying you have never felt the satisfaction of revenge, then you're either a liar or a Vulcan.

 

[mackenzie]

The question I want to ask is do we execute everyone that has killed?

If the answer is no, then who, or what, decides on which life that is lost is more deserving of the greater punishment?

And that is the crux of the matter for me.

No-one should have that power.

On another level, Brady wants us to kill him. I am glad we are not allowing him that.

And the death sentence would allow terrorists the martyrdom they seek, and would not stop them in the slightest.

 

[BingoBango]

The number of murderers who are released and commit another crime are minimal - such crimes are mostly spur of the moment. And most die in jail.

Absolute tosh! Most murderers do not die in jail. Life isn't life. The cnut who killed that baby will be out before he's fifty.

revenge is for children and the emotionally stunted.

Revenge is a natural human emotion and if you're saying you have never felt the satisfaction of revenge, then you're either a liar or a Vulcan.

Last point was perhaps a little overplayed; revenge on that level is something different though.

Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal. I'd be very surprised if that guy gets out before he's fifty - in cases like this (e.g. Brady, Hindley) the scale of revulsion in the community means they won't ever be released. I'd put £20 on it, but I doubt either of us will be around to see it!

And you didn't address that list - would you really want the UK to be alongside those countries?

 

[BingoBango]

The question I want to ask is do we execute everyone that has killed?

If the answer is no, then who, or what, decides on which life that is lost is more deserving of the greater punishment?

And that is the crux of the matter for me.

No-one should have that power.

On another level, Brady wants us to kill him. I am glad we are not allowing him that.

And the death sentence would allow terrorists the martyrdom they seek, and would not stop them in the slightest.

Indeed - that's precisely what's happening in Bali at the moment, those bastards smiling because they know they'll be executed. They should rot in some fetid Indonesian jail like a common burglar.

 

[robspankthemonkey]

The question I want to ask is do we execute everyone that has killed?

If the answer is no, then who, or what, decides on which life that is lost is more deserving of the greater punishment?

And that is the crux of the matter for me.

No-one should have that power.

On another level, Brady wants us to kill him. I am glad we are not allowing him that.

I don't know about that i think we should do away with that waist of oxygen i really begrudge the money that is spent on incarcerating that ****, lets just wheel him out and have a public beheading like in medieval times,
And lets use the tax payers money that's wasted on him to help some genuine causes like the elderly, homeless or sick.
Honestly i see no need now for him to be alive now a days, living in his padded cell with all the free drugs they can feed him.
I even sense the sick fook is laughing at us in his own sick way.

 

[stony]

Last point was perhaps a little overplayed; revenge on that level is something different though.

Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal. I'd be very surprised if that guy gets out before he's fifty - in cases like this (e.g. Brady, Hindley) the scale of revulsion in the community means they won't ever be released. I'd put £20 on it, but I doubt either of us will be around to see it!

And you didn't address that list - would you really want the UK to be alongside those countries?

The judges recommendation is that he serves a minimum 22 years. Prisons are so overcrowded that if he keeps his nose clean he will be released in 22 years time. He will be 47.
What about the thug who knifed to death headmaster Philip Lawrence outside his own school in 1995 ? Public revulsion hasn't stopped his killer being released just over ten years later.
I didn't address your list because it's pointless. I'm sure if I spent ten minutes on wiki, I could find a list of equally shit countries that don't have the death sentence.

 

[mackenzie]

Brady didn't allow his victims any say in what they did, so why should we allow him any control over what he does?

He is hating it, and that is good.

 

[BingoBango]

Last point was perhaps a little overplayed; revenge on that level is something different though.

Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal. I'd be very surprised if that guy gets out before he's fifty - in cases like this (e.g. Brady, Hindley) the scale of revulsion in the community means they won't ever be released. I'd put £20 on it, but I doubt either of us will be around to see it!

And you didn't address that list - would you really want the UK to be alongside those countries?

The judges recommendation is that he serves a minimum 22 years. Prisons are so overcrowded that if he keeps his nose clean he will be released in 22 years time. He will be 47.
What about the thug who knifed to death headmaster Philip Lawrence outside his own school in 1995 ? Public revulsion hasn't stopped his killer being released just over ten years later.
I didn't address your list because it's pointless. I'm sure if I spent ten minutes on wiki, I could find a list of equally shit countries that don't have the death sentence.

That's a minimum, and if the Government get their retarded Titan prisons built, then there'll be more than enough space.

Those are the only countries in the world to execute people, so hardly a pointless list. It's very easy to find a list of 'useless' countries that don't, because it's the rest of the world.

Edit: mis-spelt 'retarded'; the irony.

 

[stony]

Brady didn't allow his victims any say in what they did, so why should we allow him any control over what he does?

He is hating it, and that is good.

So it's revenge and not justice that you want ?

 

[mackenzie]

Brady didn't allow his victims any say in what they did, so why should we allow him any control over what he does?

He is hating it, and that is good.

So it's revenge and not justice that you want ?

That IS justice in a way Stony.

I'd go so far as to say it is almost poetic justice.

The controller and the destroyer of lives is not allowed to even have the say on the thing he holds most dear.....himself and his destiny as the great manipulator and tyrant.

 

[stony]

That IS justice in a way Stony.

Justice would have been putting a bullet between his eyes the day after he was convicted, burning his body and scattering his ashes in private. Job done, no years of 'celebrity status' in a cushy cell.

 

[mackenzie]

That IS justice in a way Stony.

Justice would have been putting a bullet between his eyes the day after he was convicted, burning his body and scattering his ashes in private. Job done, no years of 'celebrity status' in a cushy cell.

OK. What murderer would you NOT like to see get a bullet between the eyes? What about a bloke who gets in a car and kills someone?

(great thread this btw)

 

[stony]

Last point was perhaps a little overplayed; revenge on that level is something different though.

Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal. I'd be very surprised if that guy gets out before he's fifty - in cases like this (e.g. Brady, Hindley) the scale of revulsion in the community means they won't ever be released. I'd put £20 on it, but I doubt either of us will be around to see it!

And you didn't address that list - would you really want the UK to be alongside those countries?

The judges recommendation is that he serves a minimum 22 years. Prisons are so overcrowded that if he keeps his nose clean he will be released in 22 years time. He will be 47.
What about the thug who knifed to death headmaster Philip Lawrence outside his own school in 1995 ? Public revulsion hasn't stopped his killer being released just over ten years later.
I didn't address your list because it's pointless. I'm sure if I spent ten minutes on wiki, I could find a list of equally shit countries that don't have the death sentence.

That's a minimum, and if the Government get their retarded Titan prisons built, then there'll be more than enough space.

Those are the only countries in the world to execute people, so hardly a pointless list. It's very easy to find a list of 'useless' countries that don't, because it's the rest of the world.

Edit: mis-spelt 'retarded'; the irony.

That's a big if

The USA was on your list, If I could afford it, I'd mover there tomorrow.

 

[stony]

That IS justice in a way Stony.

Justice would have been putting a bullet between his eyes the day after he was convicted, burning his body and scattering his ashes in private. Job done, no years of 'celebrity status' in a cushy cell.

OK. What murderer would you NOT like to see get a bullet between the eyes? What about a bloke who gets in a car and kills someone?

(great thread this btw)

Manslaughter is completely different. A man snaps a babies spine over his knee. I'd kill him in an instant.
A man looses concentration at the wheel and wipes out a family of six. Hmm, now it starts to get hard. That's why judges get paid lots of money though ;)

 

[BingoBango]

[quote="stonyThe USA was on your list, If I could afford it, I'd mover there tomorrow.[/quote]

That's one out of the lot, a country with a crime-rate that dwarfs ours where you've a greater chance of being violently assaulted or murdered.

 

[BingoBango]

Serious question: do you think that you could execute another human being?

 

[stony]

That's one out of the lot, a country with a crime-rate that dwarfs ours where you've a greater chance of being violently assaulted or murdered.

Depends where in the USA you live. I stayed with friends over there in a little town in Illinois called Watseka, virtually crime free.