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[stony]

One was about religion and the other was about race.

NI was nothing like SA at all.

And yes...Nelson is a murdering barsteward.

Like the stern gang.

The IRA and the Loyalists were murdering cunts.

I look at their marches now and I think to myself....what a backward bunch of antagonising shit heads they really are.

Spot on, every word.

Looking at Kazzydeyna's posts, it's easy to see why "the troubles" went on for so long and with so much bloodshed. When fundamentalist one eyed pricks like that get involved it's only ever going to end one way.

 

[Bilboblue]

Of course it was an occupation you fool. It was an occupation dating back centuries. The unionist majority in the north were descendants of the shipped in Scottish Presbyterians, in much the same way as the population of the Falkland Islands were .

British troops were allowed (indeed encouraged) to murder innocent civilians. You watched the programme, you've heard of Bloody Sunday.

Those two young boys mown down by a cowards bullets may well have been mistaken identity, but that only means that some other civilian was the intended target.

And the army was initially welcomed by the catholic minority as they (ironically) were led to believe that the "brave British army" (what a laugh) were there to help protect them.

Turns out our brave lads actually went out there to murder them.

I'm glad you're done with me now, it's difficult to keep civil when discussing such things with an apologist for state sponsored cowardice and murder.

1. No need for that.

2. They were not looking for some other civilian, they had photos of an IRA shooter, to quote yourself, 'You watched the programme' therefore you should have known that.

3. Seriously, you don't think our army is brave? To label them all in a sweeping statement as bad because of one tv programme, is myopic and naive. You have also just slagged every British soldier that has ever served in Northern Ireland. That makes you a bit stupid to be perfectly honest.

My old man served in N.I. and I remember as a kid being scared witless every time we heard on the news of a British soldier being killed or maimed so I suggest you retract that statement.

 

[dazdon]

One was about religion and the other was about race.

NI was nothing like SA at all.

And yes...Nelson is a murdering barsteward.

Like the stern gang.

The IRA and the Loyalists were murdering *****.

I look at their marches now and I think to myself....what a backward bunch of antagonising shit heads they really are.

If you are on the end of racial or religious discrimination I'm sure you feel pretty similar about it. Are you saying they are totally different things. As in one is more understandable or something. How are they different?

Even by suggesting the the NI conflict was as bad as the conflict in SA is cheapening what Black SAns went through.

You can back down from a religious fight but you can't back down from a fight where a race has the majority but the minority enslave and kill them.

People actually change religion every day but I have yet to see anyone change the colour of their skin.

These idiots will march for ever in their blindly stupid ignorant show of whatever the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Hi mate,

Yes I am wound up about this. And to address your point about IRA atrocities, of course that is deplorable, and the people responsible should be held accountable under the law.

I would say though, and I appreciate that this won't be popular, if a foreign power occupies your country , as a citizen of that country you have the right (I would personally say it is a duty) to fight back using whatever means are available. That doesn't excuse any IRA attacks on civilians, which were equally deplorable, but in my eyes it most certainly does excuse any Provo attacks on the occupying power. Nobody seriously believes the French resistance were terrorists in WW2.

What winds me up though is that as a professional military it is incumbent on us to act at all times within the law.

Sending the MRF into housing estates to kill innocent bystanders for the crime of being there is a cowardly despicable act and the scum that did it, and their superiors, should, indeed must, pay for it under the law. No excuses.

Just as a person convicted of blowing up a pub with innocent civilians inside should too.

Can any sane person watch that programme and truthfully claim they didn't feel sick and ashamed?

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/14/newsid_4075000/4075437.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 075437.stm</a>
On the evening of the second day, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a broadcast stating that the Dublin government ‘could not stand by’ while catholics were being brutalised by the security forces in the Bogside. Field hospitals were opened by the southern authorities in nearby County Donegal and Irish diplomats abroad attempted to exert some indirect pressure on the British government to bring an end to the rioting and address the wider issues in Northern Irish society.
As the situation deteriorated, nationalist leaders, including John Hume and Bernadette Devlin, called for the intervention of the British Army. The youth of the Bogside were joined by others from across the city in mounting what they viewed as a defence of their community from the protestant and Unionist forces of the State. Across Northern Ireland nationalist areas erupted in rioting designed to stretch police resources and provide respite for the rebels in the Bogside.
After three days, the Northern Ireland government finally requested military assistance. At 5pm on Thursday, 14 August 1969, a company of the Prince of Wales’ own Regiment took over security control from the RUC in the centre of Derry

I'm pretty sure you know this anyway,this is why and how my troops ended up in Ireland.
Hardly a fuckin invasion to occupy another Country was it.
You have started to make stuff up to fit your agenda now,Brit troops were NOT sent in to kill innocent civilians IF as you clearly do believe that program 100%then you clearly know those 2 lads were a case of mistaken identity,the paperboy confirmed that.
I'm done with you now.

Of course it was an occupation you fool. It was an occupation dating back centuries. The unionist majority in the north were descendants of the shipped in Scottish Presbyterians, in much the same way as the population of the Falkland Islands were .

British troops were allowed (indeed encouraged) to murder innocent civilians. You watched the programme, you've heard of Bloody Sunday.

Those two young boys mown down by a cowards bullets may well have been mistaken identity, but that only means that some other civilian was the intended target.

And the army was initially welcomed by the catholic minority as they (ironically) were led to believe that the "brave British army" (what a laugh) were there to help protect them.

Turns out our brave lads actually went out there to murder them.

I'm glad you're done with me now, it's difficult to keep civil when discussing such things with an apologist for state sponsored cowardice and murder.

Occupation what a load of bollocks i suppose the Normans are still occupying England the Yanks are occupying the USA the Indians are Occupying India and the pakistanis are occupying Bradford people the World over move to different places, I think you'll find in the 1920s Ireland was divided into two different states the Free State and Northern Ireland just as India was divided into East and West Pakistan and India. Northern Ireland was and is part of the UK. the IRA had no compunction about using the Murder of men women and children to further their bigoted aim's so stop squealing about what the British Army did.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Of course it was an occupation you fool. It was an occupation dating back centuries. The unionist majority in the north were descendants of the shipped in Scottish Presbyterians, in much the same way as the population of the Falkland Islands were .

British troops were allowed (indeed encouraged) to murder innocent civilians. You watched the programme, you've heard of Bloody Sunday.

Those two young boys mown down by a cowards bullets may well have been mistaken identity, but that only means that some other civilian was the intended target.

And the army was initially welcomed by the catholic minority as they (ironically) were led to believe that the "brave British army" (what a laugh) were there to help protect them.

Turns out our brave lads actually went out there to murder them.

I'm glad you're done with me now, it's difficult to keep civil when discussing such things with an apologist for state sponsored cowardice and murder.

1. No need for that.

2. They were not looking for some other civilian, they had photos of an IRA shooter, to quote yourself, 'You watched the programme' therefore you should have known that.

3. Seriously, you don't think our army is brave? To label them all in a sweeping statement as bad because of one tv programme, is myopic and naive. You have also just slagged every British soldier that has ever served in Northern Ireland. That makes you a bit stupid to be perfectly honest.

My old man served in N.I. and I remember as a kid being scared witless every time we heard on the news of a British soldier being killed or maimed so I suggest you retract that statement.

1. Bloody hell, who are you, the internet police.

2. Exactly. If you believe them , they had photos of their "targets". And shot two other people. Not mistaken identity, they had photos. Murder.

3. You're correct. many many 1000's of individuals within the army were/are brave. And also in many cases I'm sure, braver than I. The "army" as an institution in my opinion, in Northern Ireland, sent out its personnel (or some of its personnel) to kill and attack innocents. That is cowardice and illegal, and should be dealt with under the law.

And I stand by my statement wholeheartedly that these scum who joined the MRF and other such units were/are shit houses and cowards. Look at the twat who fled to Australia and was too scared to open his front door to the Nasty bbc presenter. Johnny big bollocks when he's got a gun and is facing boys, women and children, a snivelling little rat when he is questioned about his heroics many years later.

 

[dazdon]

You've got a lot of hate in you Kazzydeyna.

Is that indicative of NI Catholics still?

 

[johnmc]

Anyway, a positive thing to end my involvement in the thread. There are green shoots in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately something like 98% of Belfast children go to either a catholic or Protestant school. However away from Belfast housing estates tend to be more mixed, the youth brought up in the fragile Good Friday agreement are more used to times of relative peace and want to continue to raise their children in that environment. There's still bad apples. It will will take decades and generations if it does ever reduce to a handful (it will never go away) however the youth of Ireland are embracing a new nationality of northern Irish. Not British. Not irish.

Small steps will eventually lead to big changes. It's a beautiful part of the world if you ever get there. If I was in charge I'd ban any marches but that could just lead to further problems. So a quick fire solution is never going to happen and if it were it would have been thought of already by someone far brighter than me.

However peace to all people in Northern Ireland whatever side of the religious fence or otherwise you fall on. May you go forward successfully and peacefully.

Edit. Dazdon I take your point. It's a good one. I stand by my comment on similarities but you make a good argument.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

You've got a lot of hate in you Kazzydeyna.

Is that indicative of NI Catholics still?

Dunno mate, I'm not a NI catholic.

Hate is a strong word. I prefer disgust. Disgust at a military superpower (which we most certainly were in comparison to the catholic minority in the north) using its power to subjugate a people and murder them for no better reason than you can.

I'm quite proud of my disgust at that.<br /><br />-- Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:07 am --<br /><br />

Anyway, a positive thing to end my involvement in the thread. There are green shoots in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately something like 98% of Belfast children go to either a catholic or Protestant school. However away from Belfast housing estates tend to be more mixed, the youth brought up in the fragile Good Friday agreement are more used to times of relative peace and want to continue to raise their children in that environment. There's still bad apples. It will will take decades and generations if it does ever reduce to a handful (it will never go away) however the youth of Ireland are embracing a new nationality of northern Irish. Not British. Not irish.

Small steps will eventually lead to big changes. It's a beautiful part of the world if you ever get there. If I was in charge I'd ban any marches but that could just lead to further problems. So a quick fire solution is never going to happen and if it were it would have been thought of already by someone far brighter than me.

However peace to all people in Northern Ireland whatever side of the religious fence or otherwise you fall on. May you go forward successfully and peacefully.

Can't really argue with a word of that.

 

[Bilboblue]

Of course it was an occupation you fool. It was an occupation dating back centuries. The unionist majority in the north were descendants of the shipped in Scottish Presbyterians, in much the same way as the population of the Falkland Islands were .

British troops were allowed (indeed encouraged) to murder innocent civilians. You watched the programme, you've heard of Bloody Sunday.

Those two young boys mown down by a cowards bullets may well have been mistaken identity, but that only means that some other civilian was the intended target.

And the army was initially welcomed by the catholic minority as they (ironically) were led to believe that the "brave British army" (what a laugh) were there to help protect them.

Turns out our brave lads actually went out there to murder them.

I'm glad you're done with me now, it's difficult to keep civil when discussing such things with an apologist for state sponsored cowardice and murder.

1. No need for that.

2. They were not looking for some other civilian, they had photos of an IRA shooter, to quote yourself, 'You watched the programme' therefore you should have known that.

3. Seriously, you don't think our army is brave? To label them all in a sweeping statement as bad because of one tv programme, is myopic and naive. You have also just slagged every British soldier that has ever served in Northern Ireland. That makes you a bit stupid to be perfectly honest.

My old man served in N.I. and I remember as a kid being scared witless every time we heard on the news of a British soldier being killed or maimed so I suggest you retract that statement.

1. Bloody hell, who are you, the internet police.

2. Exactly. If you believe them , they had photos of their "targets". And shot two other people. Not mistaken identity, they had photos. Murder.

3. You're correct. many many 1000's of individuals within the army were/are brave. And also in many cases I'm sure, braver than I. The "army" as an institution in my opinion, in Northern Ireland, sent out its personnel (or some of its personnel) to kill and attack innocents. That is cowardice and illegal, and should be dealt with under the law.

And I stand by my statement wholeheartedly that these scum who joined the MRF and other such units were/are shit houses and cowards. Look at the twat who fled to Australia and was too scared to open his front door to the Nasty bbc presenter. Johnny big bollocks when he's got a gun and is facing boys, women and children, a snivelling little rat when he is questioned about his heroics many years later.

He wasn't 'too scared' to open his door, he just didn't want to give an interview, and why the fuck should he have done? The BBC are not the police.

The man they thought they were shooting at WAS A CONFIRMED IRA SHOOTER, therefore he would have been a legitimate target as far as I am concerned.

Seems you pick and choose items to reply to.

 

[bluemanc]

You've got a lot of hate in you Kazzydeyna.

Is that indicative of NI Catholics still?

I'm not sure the last bit applies to him BUT the first certainly does.
He's airbrushing what he doesn't want to hear out of History,i'm sure that when he calms down he'll be embarrassed by himself.