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[oakiecokie]

Can I recommend a book for all those people who have an interest in events of the NI conflict.Its called "The Informer,Sean O`Callaghan" who was en ex member and well respected man of the IRA.
A wonderful insight of both the IRA and British Forces at war and how and why he turned his back on terrorism.
He was hunted all over Europe and one day he casually walked into Tunbridge Wells Police Station and gave himself up.In court he pleaded guilty to all charges of which he was accused and received a total of 539 years.
A truly wonderful true story and a book that I finished in 3 days,which for me is something unknown.Go on have a read.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Can I recommend a book for all those people who have an interest in events of the NI conflict.Its called "The Informer,Sean O`Callaghan" who was en ex member and well respected man of the IRA.
A wonderful insight of both the IRA and British Forces at war and how and why he turned his back on terrorism.
He was hunted all over Europe and one day he casually walked into Tunbridge Wells Police Station and gave himself up.In court he pleaded guilty to all charges of which he was accused and received a total of 539 years.
A truly wonderful true story and a book that I finished in 3 days,which for me is something unknown.Go on have a read.

Pffft, he'll be out in 270 with good behaviour

 

[Anonymous]

According to Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland:[141]
Of those killed by British security forces:
187 (~51.5%) were civilians
145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
1080 (~52%) were members of the British security forces
728 (~35%) were civilians
187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
56 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
10 (~0.4%) were members of the Irish security forces

Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:
868 (~85.4%) were civilians
93 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries
14 (~1.3%) were members of the British security forces

I've bolded the civilians bit not to single any side out as being good/bad or whatever but to draw attention to the fact it is always the innocent that suffer most.

Every debate ends up being reductive where you get "it was terrible when those people in Belfast died" being met immediately with "well what about those who died in Antrim" or whichever location you'd like to chose.

Whilst I'm no expert, I have immediate family who are Northern Irish and have been over there on a very regular basis over the last 15 years, so have some limited knowledge. Having read the thread, it saddens me there are so many ill informed opinions being presented here and people still wanting to "take sides".

 

[oakiecokie]

Can I recommend a book for all those people who have an interest in events of the NI conflict.Its called "The Informer,Sean O`Callaghan" who was en ex member and well respected man of the IRA.
A wonderful insight of both the IRA and British Forces at war and how and why he turned his back on terrorism.
He was hunted all over Europe and one day he casually walked into Tunbridge Wells Police Station and gave himself up.In court he pleaded guilty to all charges of which he was accused and received a total of 539 years.
A truly wonderful true story and a book that I finished in 3 days,which for me is something unknown.Go on have a read.

Pffft, he'll be out in 270 with good behaviour

He was given a Royal Pardon in 1996 for giving evidence against members of the IRA.

 

[Bilboblue]

According to Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland:[141]
Of those killed by British security forces:
187 (~51.5%) were civilians
145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
1080 (~52%) were members of the British security forces
728 (~35%) were civilians
187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
56 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
10 (~0.4%) were members of the Irish security forces

Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:
868 (~85.4%) were civilians
93 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries
14 (~1.3%) were members of the British security forces

I've bolded the civilians bit not to single any side out as being good/bad or whatever but to draw attention to the fact it is always the innocent that suffer most.

Every debate ends up being reductive where you get "it was terrible when those people in Belfast died" being met immediately with "well what about those who died in Antrim" or whichever location you'd like to chose.

Whilst I'm no expert, I have immediate family who are Northern Irish and have been over there on a very regular basis over the last 15 years, so have some limited knowledge. Having read the thread, it saddens me there are so many ill informed opinions being presented here and people still wanting to "take sides".

To be fair, the IRA had more targets than loyalist paramilitaries.

I am bound to take a side having had my father serve for the British army out there, but I am not so blinkered as to deny culpability.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Can I recommend a book for all those people who have an interest in events of the NI conflict.Its called "The Informer,Sean O`Callaghan" who was en ex member and well respected man of the IRA.
A wonderful insight of both the IRA and British Forces at war and how and why he turned his back on terrorism.
He was hunted all over Europe and one day he casually walked into Tunbridge Wells Police Station and gave himself up.In court he pleaded guilty to all charges of which he was accused and received a total of 539 years.
A truly wonderful true story and a book that I finished in 3 days,which for me is something unknown.Go on have a read.

Pffft, he'll be out in 270 with good behaviour

He was given a Royal Pardon in 1996 for giving evidence against members of the IRA.

Aaah I see, when did he die ?

 

[oakiecokie]

Pffft, he'll be out in 270 with good behaviour

He was given a Royal Pardon in 1996 for giving evidence against members of the IRA.

Aaah I see, when did he die ?

Not quite mate.He`s still alive as far as I know.

Present occupation[edit]

He now lives relatively openly in England, having refused to adopt a new identity, and works as a security consultant, occasional advisor to the Ulster Unionist Party,[20] and media pundit, usually whenever the IRA has made a major announcement.
In 1998, O'Callaghan declared, "I know that the organization led by Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness would like to murder me. I know that that organization will go on murdering other people until they are finally defeated. It is my belief that in spite of IRA/Sinn Fein's strategic cunning, and no matter how many people they kill, the people of the Irish Republic expect, because they have been told so by John Hume, that there will be peace. There may come a time when their patience runs out. If that were to happen there would be no place for IRA/Sinn Fein to hide. We must work tirelessly to bring that day forward."[21]

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

Unbelievable stuff. Horrible horrible viewing.

Tale after tale of the brave British army acting like fucking murdering scum, cowards, and shit houses. And boasting about it.

One day these bastards will rot in a jail.

Utter utter cowards and scum, who wouldn't in a million years have behaved like this if they didn't have a gun to hide behind.

Making me ashamed to be born in this country.

Boo fucking hoo. However bad the army acted in NI, it doesn't come close to what the IRA did. If you're that ashamed of your country, fuck off and live elsewhere.

I totally agree.

I'm of an Old School upbringing. My late Grand father who I never met because he was dead, was in the Royal Marines. He fought at Galipoli and on the Somme in the first world war. He survived the Great War, but because he had been gassed by the Germans he died of Emphysema whilst he was in his 30's.

I tip my hat to any soldier who has served my Country both present and past, I'm proud of you all, and I salute youl!!

 

[TGR]

You seriously comparing the British army to the nazis?

I can't believe it either!
Just stupidly unbelievable.

 

[raghunter57]

The BBC shit stirring again.

Oh and ask what the victims of James Lynan
If he gave much thought to his killings too.