British Justice ... it sucks in this instance.

[dronefromsector7g]

Used to play rhythm guitar for a Mancunian Beatles tribute band?




The law should be there to protect the victim, seems it has in this case.

What we've all learnt from 'Ants' escapades is to only ever say two words to the pigs 'No', and 'comment', and also, the pub bogs are for three purposes only

1 slash
2 poo
3 hot sticky man love!

Anyone who has a poo in a pub toilet is a fucking wrong-un.

Hi 'shit break'!

 

[Carstairs]

'Shit break'??


No.

 

[tidyman]

The thing I found interesting and worrying about this is that a man of previous good character gets 14 months for decking someone, without causing serious injury, yet how many times do you read about people with previous convictions for violent offences not getting custodial sentences?

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Leave the fella alone.

The death penalty without trial for burglary is the hallmark of any civilised country.

Any scrote who breaks into my house while I am home, or another member of my family is, has already given up the high moral ground. AS I SAID, I don't legally have to give him a warning, but I would. If he is too stupid or confident in himself to heed that warning, then either he is a complete moron or feels confident because he is armed. THAT person has chosen the wrong path and will be made to pay for terrorizing my wife and kids in our own home.

I guess in your world, B&E is a lark, someone's home is not meant to be a safe place, and terrorizing kids is OK?

As for civilized, you should read the news occasionally and see what is happening around you. There are very few "civilized" places left where scrotes do not see those people as targets. I'm not willing to be an apathetic target. Stay out of my home and you will be fine. Cross that threshold and you have CHOSEN to ignore all good sense, because EVERY American has the right to self defense and (almost) EVERY American has the right to own a gun to protect themselves in their own home. It is part of the bargain.

CHOOSING B&E in America comes with risks. If you CHOOSE to accept those risks, so be it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Leave the fella alone.

The death penalty without trial for burglary is the hallmark of any civilised country.

Any scrote who breaks into my house while I am home, or another member of my family is, has already given up the high moral ground. AS I SAID, I don't legally have to give him a warning, but I would. If he is too stupid or confident in himself to heed that warning, then either he is a complete moron or feels confident because he is armed. THAT person has chosen the wrong path and will be made to pay for terrorizing my wife and kids in our own home.

I guess in your world, B&E is a lark, someone's home is not meant to be a safe place, and terrorizing kids is OK?

As for civilized, you should read the news occasionally and see what is happening around you. There are very few "civilized" places left where scrotes do not see those people as targets. I'm not willing to be an apathetic target. Stay out of my home and you will be fine. Cross that threshold and you have CHOSEN to ignore all good sense, because EVERY American has the right to self defense and (almost) EVERY American has the right to own a gun to protect themselves in their own home. It is part of the bargain.

CHOOSING B&E in America comes with risks. If you CHOOSE to accept those risks, so be it.

Would your rules of engagement still apply to a child?

 

[tidyman]

Leave the fella alone.

The death penalty without trial for burglary is the hallmark of any civilised country.

I guess in your world, B&E is a lark, someone's home is not meant to be a safe place, and terrorizing kids is OK?

No I don't think it's a lark mate.

Neither do I think execution without trial is a reasonable punishment.

But as Jimmy Tarbuck would say, We have a difference of opinion.

 

[oakiecokie]

The thing I found interesting and worrying about this is that a man of previous good character gets 14 months for decking someone, without causing serious injury, yet how many times do you read about people with previous convictions for violent offences not getting custodial sentences?

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

And its people like you who don`t appear to have read the post properly.
At NO time has he admitted to this crime of hitting someone over the head with a bottle/glass.He admits to striking someone with fists and head,but the judge repeatedley brought up the glass issue.
Why admit to something you are NOT guilty off ? I know the fuck I wouldn`t.
And thats the end of my discussion on this matter as I`m only repeating myself.

 

[Challenger1978]

The thing I found interesting and worrying about this is that a man of previous good character gets 14 months for decking someone, without causing serious injury, yet how many times do you read about people with previous convictions for violent offences not getting custodial sentences?

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

Community service plus a fine is normal after giving someone a dig. Getting 14 months is far more serious and something else has gone on.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yep, hilarious.....if you find me protecting myself and my family funny. Two in the heart, one in the head, in under 2 seconds, from about 10 yards....lather, rinse, repeat until threat neutralized. Emphasizing the word "kill" tends to make an assailant's ears prick up, as opposed to saying "will shoot you." And, it is a far more accurate descriptor.

Easy way around this is don't come into my house uninvited to steal my shit or threaten my family and everyone is happy. You might find this "boneheaded," but the law calls it "self defense" and protecting my family's life and property. And, by law, I don't even need to give an assailant a warning, only the Police do! The threshold of a man's house is a line that should not be crossed without invitation.

Plus, it adds a little sport to B&E, doesn't it?

Bwahahahahahahahahah THAT!!!

No need really.
You are a trigger happy simpleton who has watched too many Dirty Harry films.
'I can kill folk and get away with it - how big a hard on does that give me?'
Until the day comes when the intruder has a bigger, better gun, and an even better aim.
Fortunately for the rest of us you are in the right country.

Ah yes, one of the self righteous BlueMoon anointed telling me who I am! Always a fun event!

I'm neither "trigger happy" nor a "simpleton," and I think I might have watched one, maybe two of those Eastwood movies...but then that is irrelevant, isn't it, because you know better.

I certainly do not get a hard on thinking about killing someone in my own home, nor would it give me any pleasure AT ALL. However, I'm not willing to be the hapless victim of a scrote who thinks he can do whatever the fuck he wants to me and my family, either. Guns are prevalent in America, and I'm not going to be able to stop that. If no-one ELSE had one, neither would I. Alas, this Utopia you seek does not exist....even in Jolly Old, so get over your delicate self and realize the REALITY of living in one of the most violent cities in America you knob!

I'd venture the top 3 or 4 stories on LAST NIGHTS CHICAGO newscast were about guns, violence, and death. There is a big bad world out there and there are scrotes and their victims, and there are scrotes who BECOME victims. I know which I prefer and will use my legal rights to ensure I do not become a scrote's victim. Nothing "hard" or "hard on" about it, mate, just being real.

When the day comes, when the intruder has a bigger gun, then I guess we will have to rely on training. However, would YOU prefer that the scrote have a gun and me not? Am I ALLOWED to stop my 17 yr old daughter from being raped in front of me with a gun to her head? Am I ALLOWED to protect my wife from being sodomized for the enjoyment of a vicious scrote who wants to make the point that HE is in charge? What about my 16 year old son, who is built like a little bodybuilder? If the scrote thinks he might be a threat to him, should I sit idly by while he gets murdered?

Again, and S L O W L Y for those who are struggling with the concept of NOT being a victim in your own home, I don't walk around like Dirty Harry, nor do even my closest neighbors even know I am trained to use firearms. I am also trained to know the difference between a threat and a drunk showing up at the wrong house. I do not take my personal responsibility lightly, nor do I push guns or gun culture on ANYONE. In fact, I abhor personal violence. I will never set out to commit it unless I feel my life or that of my family is in danger. Once we reach that threshold, then I CHOOSE not to be the victim.....because in America, most victims end up dead.

Do I like that aspect of society? Not a bit. But, I don't get to MAKE the rules, only live with them. If I could get rid of every gun on the street, I would snap my fingers and do it. There is no great mystery to learning how to shoot a gun, or be very accurate, and it does not make you a man to be able to pull a trigger. However "Dirty Harry" you THINK it is, that is just YOUR prejudice about me from YOUR movie watching, not mine. You don't know me, where I live, or appear to know my rights as a private citizen, but then this is the internet and I'm talking about the stark reality of REAL LIFE, where people DO get raped in their own beds while family members are forced to watch, where kids ARE shot in front of their parents, and where entire families die at the hands of anonymous scrotes looking for shit to sell to get high.

I will end this by saying I have never been in trouble with the law. I have had multiple, detailed FBI background checks and I have been trained to kill by Federal Law Enforcement. I know the difference between fact and fiction, Dirty Harry and the scrote threatening my family. I do not project fear in others, nor do I project fear in myself. I simply go about my daily life causing no-one harm and helping as many people on their way as possible. In many ways, I would be considered a model citizen.

However, thankfully, I, and the society in which I live, draw the line at HAVING TO CHOOSE TO BE A VICTIM OF THE VIOLENCE OF OTHERS. I do not bring violence to the doorstep of others and I do not expect it to be brought to mine. If it is, then all bets are off AND the law is on my side, as long as I fear for my own life or that of a family member. Personally, I think the warning I described earlier provides adequate warning of what is about to happen. If you are the scrote who broke in, then you had better find a way out in a hurry, because one step in my direction and you WILL be put down. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but THAT is the law.

BTW, you would be surprise how little B&E we have here! Or maybe you wouldn't?!

 

[tidyman]

The thing I found interesting and worrying about this is that a man of previous good character gets 14 months for decking someone, without causing serious injury, yet how many times do you read about people with previous convictions for violent offences not getting custodial sentences?

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

Community service plus a fine is normal after giving someone a dig. Getting 14 months is far more serious and something else has gone on.

Giving someone a dig isn't an offense though. Although the OP seems unsure on the actual charge, he said in his opening post that he admitted assault.

If it was common assault, 14 months is probably a bit harsh but certainly not unheard of. If it was assault occasioning actual bodily harm, then 14 months is probably a result. None of us, including the OP know the full details of what happened, so it's impossible to really compare it with similar cases.

 

[Challenger1978]

Yep, hilarious.....if you find me protecting myself and my family funny. Two in the heart, one in the head, in under 2 seconds, from about 10 yards....lather, rinse, repeat until threat neutralized. Emphasizing the word "kill" tends to make an assailant's ears prick up, as opposed to saying "will shoot you." And, it is a far more accurate descriptor.

Easy way around this is don't come into my house uninvited to steal my shit or threaten my family and everyone is happy. You might find this "boneheaded," but the law calls it "self defense" and protecting my family's life and property. And, by law, I don't even need to give an assailant a warning, only the Police do! The threshold of a man's house is a line that should not be crossed without invitation.

Plus, it adds a little sport to B&E, doesn't it?

Bwahahahahahahahahah THAT!!!

No need really.
You are a trigger happy simpleton who has watched too many Dirty Harry films.
'I can kill folk and get away with it - how big a hard on does that give me?'
Until the day comes when the intruder has a bigger, better gun, and an even better aim.
Fortunately for the rest of us you are in the right country.

Ah yes, one of the self righteous BlueMoon anointed telling me who I am! Always a fun event!

I'm neither "trigger happy" nor a "simpleton," and I think I might have watched one, maybe two of those Eastwood movies...but then that is irrelevant, isn't it, because you know better.

I certainly do not get a hard on thinking about killing someone in my own home, nor would it give me any pleasure AT ALL. However, I'm not willing to be the hapless victim of a scrote who thinks he can do whatever the fuck he wants to me and my family, either. Guns are prevalent in America, and I'm not going to be able to stop that. If no-one ELSE had one, neither would I. Alas, this Utopia you seek does not exist....even in Jolly Old, so get over your delicate self and realize the REALITY of living in one of the most violent cities in America you knob!

I'd venture the top 3 or 4 stories on LAST NIGHTS CHICAGO newscast were about guns, violence, and death. There is a big bad world out there and there are scrotes and their victims, and there are scrotes who BECOME victims. I know which I prefer and will use my legal rights to ensure I do not become a scrote's victim. Nothing "hard" or "hard on" about it, mate, just being real.

When the day comes, when the intruder has a bigger gun, then I guess we will have to rely on training. However, would YOU prefer that the scrote have a gun and me not? Am I ALLOWED to stop my 17 yr old daughter from being raped in front of me with a gun to her head? Am I ALLOWED to protect my wife from being sodomized for the enjoyment of a vicious scrote who wants to make the point that HE is in charge? What about my 16 year old son, who is built like a little bodybuilder? If the scrote thinks he might be a threat to him, should I sit idly by while he gets murdered?

Again, and S L O W L Y for those who are struggling with the concept of NOT being a victim in your own home, I don't walk around like Dirty Harry, nor do even my closest neighbors even know I am trained to use firearms. I am also trained to know the difference between a threat and a drunk showing up at the wrong house. I do not take my personal responsibility lightly, nor do I push guns or gun culture on ANYONE. In fact, I abhor personal violence. I will never set out to commit it unless I feel my life or that of my family is in danger. Once we reach that threshold, then I CHOOSE not to be the victim.....because in America, most victims end up dead.

Do I like that aspect of society? Not a bit. But, I don't get to MAKE the rules, only live with them. If I could get rid of every gun on the street, I would snap my fingers and do it. There is no great mystery to learning how to shoot a gun, or be very accurate, and it does not make you a man to be able to pull a trigger. However "Dirty Harry" you THINK it is, that is just YOUR prejudice about me from YOUR movie watching, not mine. You don't know me, where I live, or appear to know my rights as a private citizen, but then this is the internet and I'm talking about the stark reality of REAL LIFE, where people DO get raped in their own beds while family members are forced to watch, where kids ARE shot in front of their parents, and where entire families die at the hands of anonymous scrotes looking for shit to sell to get high.

I will end this by saying I have never been in trouble with the law. I have had multiple, detailed FBI background checks and I have been trained to kill by Federal Law Enforcement. I know the difference between fact and fiction, Dirty Harry and the scrote threatening my family. I do not project fear in others, nor do I project fear in myself. I simply go about my daily life causing no-one harm and helping as many people on their way as possible. In many ways, I would be considered a model citizen.

However, thankfully, I, and the society in which I live, draw the line at HAVING TO CHOOSE TO BE A VICTIM OF THE VIOLENCE OF OTHERS. I do not bring violence to the doorstep of others and I do not expect it to be brought to mine. If it is, then all bets are off AND the law is on my side, as long as I fear for my own life or that of a family member. Personally, I think the warning I described earlier provides adequate warning of what is about to happen. If you are the scrote who broke in, then you had better find a way out in a hurry, because one step in my direction and you WILL be put down. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but THAT is the law.

BTW, you would be surprise how little B&E we have here! Or maybe you wouldn't?!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Leave the fella alone.

The death penalty without trial for burglary is the hallmark of any civilised country.

Any scrote who breaks into my house while I am home, or another member of my family is, has already given up the high moral ground. AS I SAID, I don't legally have to give him a warning, but I would. If he is too stupid or confident in himself to heed that warning, then either he is a complete moron or feels confident because he is armed. THAT person has chosen the wrong path and will be made to pay for terrorizing my wife and kids in our own home.

I guess in your world, B&E is a lark, someone's home is not meant to be a safe place, and terrorizing kids is OK?

As for civilized, you should read the news occasionally and see what is happening around you. There are very few "civilized" places left where scrotes do not see those people as targets. I'm not willing to be an apathetic target. Stay out of my home and you will be fine. Cross that threshold and you have CHOSEN to ignore all good sense, because EVERY American has the right to self defense and (almost) EVERY American has the right to own a gun to protect themselves in their own home. It is part of the bargain.

CHOOSING B&E in America comes with risks. If you CHOOSE to accept those risks, so be it.

Would your rules of engagement still apply to a child?

As I said elsewhere, the use of deadly force presumes the fear for ones own life. If a 5ft tall, 13 yr old kid broke in and didn't heed the warning, then I have a decision to make. Do I fear for my life? If he comes towards me in the darkness, can I SEE that he is a 13 yr old? Can I SEE that he does not have a weapon? What if he has something in his hand? Is it OK to shoot a 13 yr old in your house at night holding a knife? a gun?

These are all questions that have to be answered before one EVER pulls a trigger in self defense. What if the "kid" is 17, 15 stone, and 6 feet tall? Is that the size of a man? Is THAT "kid" a threat? Why is THE "kid" in my house? Is it MY kid who went downstairs for a glass of water?

Again, all questions that have to be asked and answered before ever thinking about deadly force. THAT is the difference between training and "shoot first, ask questions later."

But now ask yourself, if I give the warning and the shadowy person continues to move towards me, then I raise the weapon and, because there is time, give the warning again, and the person continues to move towards me, then the CHOICE starts to get easier and easier, because the BEHAVIOR is becoming more and more threatening.

BTW, as Columbine and Sandy Hook and numerous other events have shown, a "kid" is perfectly capable of killing many, many people if he so chooses.

And, for the record, I do NOT live in fear for my life. I do not have a hair trigger. I hope I NEVER have to shoot at anything other than a paper target EVER. But, if push comes to shove, I WILL do everything in my power to protect my family from threats, including the use of deadly force, if necessary, and I'm not ashamed to say it. I would expect no less from anyone else here.

 

[Challenger1978]

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

Community service plus a fine is normal after giving someone a dig. Getting 14 months is far more serious and something else has gone on.

Giving someone a dig isn't an offense though. Although the OP seems unsure on the actual charge, he said in his opening post that he admitted assault.

Really ??????

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The thing I found interesting and worrying about this is that a man of previous good character gets 14 months for decking someone, without causing serious injury, yet how many times do you read about people with previous convictions for violent offences not getting custodial sentences?

Plus if he'd pleaded not guilty and it had gone to trial, his barrister could have possibly raised enough doubt to either get a not guilty verdict or for him to be ground guilty of the lesser offence off common assault. And even if he'd been found guilty, he might have got a lesser sentence.

The moral of the story is (a) if you're going to do something like that, do it in front of witnesses and (b) say nowt, plead not guilty and take your chance with a jury.

If it was simply a case of decking him without causing at least significant injury it wouldn't have gone to the Crown Court.

Not necessarily. If the Magistrates felt that their maximum 6 month jail sentence was possibly inadequate for the crime committed then it would probably go to Crown Court.

The starting point for ABH depends on the seriousness of the offence. Assault sentencing guidelines linkThere are 3 categories and only Category 1 carries a mandatory guideline of a custodial sentence pm ranging from 1-3 years. The top end if Category 2 is a 6 month custodial sentence therefore it seems that he was sentenced as a Category 1 offence. To qualify as that, there must usually be serious injury and what they call high culpability. That would include a head-butt and a degree of premeditation. I suspect he didn't go storming into the pub looking for this guy but presume he went into the toilets to confront him. Had he just thumped him in the bar, in front of witnesses, then he'd have been better off in all probability.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Yep, hilarious.....if you find me protecting myself and my family funny. Two in the heart, one in the head, in under 2 seconds, from about 10 yards....lather, rinse, repeat until threat neutralized. Emphasizing the word "kill" tends to make an assailant's ears prick up, as opposed to saying "will shoot you." And, it is a far more accurate descriptor.

Easy way around this is don't come into my house uninvited to steal my shit or threaten my family and everyone is happy. You might find this "boneheaded," but the law calls it "self defense" and protecting my family's life and property. And, by law, I don't even need to give an assailant a warning, only the Police do! The threshold of a man's house is a line that should not be crossed without invitation.

Plus, it adds a little sport to B&E, doesn't it?

Bwahahahahahahahahah THAT!!!

No need really.
You are a trigger happy simpleton who has watched too many Dirty Harry films.
'I can kill folk and get away with it - how big a hard on does that give me?'
Until the day comes when the intruder has a bigger, better gun, and an even better aim.
Fortunately for the rest of us you are in the right country.

Ah yes, one of the self righteous BlueMoon anointed telling me who I am! Always a fun event!

I'm neither "trigger happy" nor a "simpleton," and I think I might have watched one, maybe two of those Eastwood movies...but then that is irrelevant, isn't it, because you know better.

I certainly do not get a hard on thinking about killing someone in my own home, nor would it give me any pleasure AT ALL. However, I'm not willing to be the hapless victim of a scrote who thinks he can do whatever the fuck he wants to me and my family, either. Guns are prevalent in America, and I'm not going to be able to stop that. If no-one ELSE had one, neither would I. Alas, this Utopia you seek does not exist....even in Jolly Old, so get over your delicate self and realize the REALITY of living in one of the most violent cities in America you knob!

I'd venture the top 3 or 4 stories on LAST NIGHTS CHICAGO newscast were about guns, violence, and death. There is a big bad world out there and there are scrotes and their victims, and there are scrotes who BECOME victims. I know which I prefer and will use my legal rights to ensure I do not become a scrote's victim. Nothing "hard" or "hard on" about it, mate, just being real.

When the day comes, when the intruder has a bigger gun, then I guess we will have to rely on training. However, would YOU prefer that the scrote have a gun and me not? Am I ALLOWED to stop my 17 yr old daughter from being raped in front of me with a gun to her head? Am I ALLOWED to protect my wife from being sodomized for the enjoyment of a vicious scrote who wants to make the point that HE is in charge? What about my 16 year old son, who is built like a little bodybuilder? If the scrote thinks he might be a threat to him, should I sit idly by while he gets murdered?

Again, and S L O W L Y for those who are struggling with the concept of NOT being a victim in your own home, I don't walk around like Dirty Harry, nor do even my closest neighbors even know I am trained to use firearms. I am also trained to know the difference between a threat and a drunk showing up at the wrong house. I do not take my personal responsibility lightly, nor do I push guns or gun culture on ANYONE. In fact, I abhor personal violence. I will never set out to commit it unless I feel my life or that of my family is in danger. Once we reach that threshold, then I CHOOSE not to be the victim.....because in America, most victims end up dead.

Do I like that aspect of society? Not a bit. But, I don't get to MAKE the rules, only live with them. If I could get rid of every gun on the street, I would snap my fingers and do it. There is no great mystery to learning how to shoot a gun, or be very accurate, and it does not make you a man to be able to pull a trigger. However "Dirty Harry" you THINK it is, that is just YOUR prejudice about me from YOUR movie watching, not mine. You don't know me, where I live, or appear to know my rights as a private citizen, but then this is the internet and I'm talking about the stark reality of REAL LIFE, where people DO get raped in their own beds while family members are forced to watch, where kids ARE shot in front of their parents, and where entire families die at the hands of anonymous scrotes looking for shit to sell to get high.

I will end this by saying I have never been in trouble with the law. I have had multiple, detailed FBI background checks and I have been trained to kill by Federal Law Enforcement. I know the difference between fact and fiction, Dirty Harry and the scrote threatening my family. I do not project fear in others, nor do I project fear in myself. I simply go about my daily life causing no-one harm and helping as many people on their way as possible. In many ways, I would be considered a model citizen.

However, thankfully, I, and the society in which I live, draw the line at HAVING TO CHOOSE TO BE A VICTIM OF THE VIOLENCE OF OTHERS. I do not bring violence to the doorstep of others and I do not expect it to be brought to mine. If it is, then all bets are off AND the law is on my side, as long as I fear for my own life or that of a family member. Personally, I think the warning I described earlier provides adequate warning of what is about to happen. If you are the scrote who broke in, then you had better find a way out in a hurry, because one step in my direction and you WILL be put down. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but THAT is the law.

BTW, you would be surprise how little B&E we have here! Or maybe you wouldn't?!

Remind me again how many gun fatalities you have in Chicago compared to any city in Britain, where most folk aren't armed to the teeth?
'I have been trained to kill by Federal Law Enforcement' - have a word with yourself, Clint.
You're a wannabe one-man army who buys the NRA's rhetoric, so there really is no point in debating with you further.
Oh, and randomly leaving your caps lock on doesn't strengthen your case - it just makes your posts look like an angry six year old constructed them.

 

[cibaman]

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

Community service plus a fine is normal after giving someone a dig. Getting 14 months is far more serious and something else has gone on.

Giving someone a dig isn't an offense though. Although the OP seems unsure on the actual charge, he said in his opening post that he admitted assault.

If it was common assault, 14 months is probably a bit harsh but certainly not unheard of. If it was assault occasioning actual bodily harm, then 14 months is probably a result. None of us, including the OP know the full details of what happened, so it's impossible to really compare it with similar cases.

14 months would be harsh for common assault, the maximum sentence is 6 months unless its racially or religiously aggravated.

14 months for ABH puts it into Category 1, the most serious. That's defined as "Serious injury must normally be present and higher culpability"

Giving someone a dig is an offense. In fact you don't have to actually have to give them a dig. A feigned dig would be enough.

 

[tidyman]

The thing I found interesting and worrying about this is that a man of previous good character gets 14 months for decking someone, without causing serious injury, yet how many times do you read about people with previous convictions for violent offences not getting custodial sentences?

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

And its people like you who don`t appear to have read the post properly.
At NO time has he admitted to this crime of hitting someone over the head with a bottle/glass.He admits to striking someone with fists and head,but the judge repeatedley brought up the glass issue.
Why admit to something you are NOT guilty off ? I know the fuck I wouldn`t.
And thats the end of my discussion on this matter as I`m only repeating myself.

For someone who seems to think the only possible reason that anyone could be disagreeing with you here is because they haven't read all the posts properly, you seem to be suffering from the same fate.

At no point have I said he admitted using a bottle. Although your 100% certainty that he wouldn't lie about it, is a bit odd.

I've just took your words from the opening post about him admitting assault and said, even taking yours/ his version as fact, I don't think 14 months appears unduly harsh.

 

[The Flash]

I think you're falling into the trap of believing the apparent light sentences that the press like to highlight at every opportunity as being the norm, rather than the exception. Usually with exceptional circumstances they fail to mention.

Of course people have done worse and not gone to jail but I suspect 14 months is pretty standard for what it seems he's admitted to here.

And its people like you who don`t appear to have read the post properly.
At NO time has he admitted to this crime of hitting someone over the head with a bottle/glass.He admits to striking someone with fists and head,but the judge repeatedley brought up the glass issue.
Why admit to something you are NOT guilty off ? I know the fuck I wouldn`t.
And thats the end of my discussion on this matter as I`m only repeating myself.

For someone who seems to think the only possible reason that anyone could be disagreeing with you here is because they haven't read all the poets properly, you seem to be suffering from the same fate.

At no point have I said he admitted using a bottle. Although your 100% certainty that he wouldn't lie about it, is a bit odd.

I've just took your words from the opening post about him admitting assault and said, even taking yours/ his version as fact, I don't think 14 months appears unduly harsh.

To be fair, I struggled with Shelley and Tennyson.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And its people like you who don`t appear to have read the post properly.
At NO time has he admitted to this crime of hitting someone over the head with a bottle/glass.He admits to striking someone with fists and head,but the judge repeatedley brought up the glass issue.
Why admit to something you are NOT guilty off ? I know the fuck I wouldn`t.
And thats the end of my discussion on this matter as I`m only repeating myself.

For someone who seems to think the only possible reason that anyone could be disagreeing with you here is because they haven't read all the poets properly, you seem to be suffering from the same fate.

At no point have I said he admitted using a bottle. Although your 100% certainty that he wouldn't lie about it, is a bit odd.

I've just took your words from the opening post about him admitting assault and said, even taking yours/ his version as fact, I don't think 14 months appears unduly harsh.

To be fair, I struggled with Pam Ayres and Benny Hill.

 

[tidyman]

Community service plus a fine is normal after giving someone a dig. Getting 14 months is far more serious and something else has gone on.

Giving someone a dig isn't an offense though. Although the OP seems unsure on the actual charge, he said in his opening post that he admitted assault.

If it was common assault, 14 months is probably a bit harsh but certainly not unheard of. If it was assault occasioning actual bodily harm, then 14 months is probably a result. None of us, including the OP know the full details of what happened, so it's impossible to really compare it with similar cases.

14 months would be harsh for common assault, the maximum sentence is 6 months unless its racially or religiously aggravated.

14 months for ABH puts it into Category 1, the most serious. That's defined as "Serious injury must normally be present and higher culpability"

Giving someone a dig is an offense. In fact you don't have to actually have to give them a dig. A feigned dig would be enough.

I'm aware giving someone a dig is usually against the law. I'm saying using that vague term isn't really very helpful in comparing whether the sentence was fair, harsh or about right as people aren't charged with giving someone a dig.

The bottom line is all we know is the blokes best mate is saying he's admitted assault by punching, head butting but definitely not bottling someone. Without knowing more a fair sentence could be anything from a caution to attempted murder.