Budget 2024

[west didsblue]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Presumably all the clips are some sort of AI deepfake thing, and never actually happened.

The FT article published yesterday outlining all Labour quotes in relation to no planned major tax rises, maintaining the same debt rule, NI contributions and IHT relief for farmers must have all been bollocks as well.

Good job we’ve got you here to set the record straight in a completely fair and impartial manner.

I watched the first few clips that suggested a Labour government wouldn’t raise employees income tax, NI or VAT which hasn’t happened. No AI required.

 

[kaz7]

Just watched it, was very brief and lacking any detail. The mental health part is for people with anxiety and reasons for not leaving their home it seems. I don't know how many companies are even giving out full work from home jobs, from what I see plenty are making you be in the office more and more.

That is why i think going for sick snd disabled is a cunts trick , what employer is going to take on people who get anxiety so bad that they cannot even work from home when they have a load more applicants who are healthy and can get into the office to choose from . What about people with pain conditions, just hold on a minute , i need to take pain killers as i am in pain

When my anxiety is bad i have to lie in bed with the sheet over my head , i once couldnt move a muscle for nearly a whole day , how do you do zoom calls , answer phones etc on days like that . Low hanging fruit , taking benefits away is their only tool, the have said it will save three billion, how would you know that before they have even assessed everyone

The DWP have taken your gp and other drs out of equation, the drs that know you cant give their opinion and support anymore . The last face to face assessment was at home as usual and i always ask who they are , ex paramedic with four weeks training . I had to bare myself to her and what she wrote down decides the number of points . That is not acceptable

There will be some who really want to go back to work and can put foward a convincing reason why the company should take them on but why would they take a chance on them. The jobs are just not there for the majority of us

To end my rant i will say nobody dont buy into the narrative that benefits is a lifestyle choice , more than working and easy to get, people can have hidden disabilites so if you think your neighbour is a benefits cheat they maybe are not

I need a lie down

 

[metalblue]

That is why i think going for sick snd disabled is a cunts trick , what employer is going to take on people who get anxiety so bad that they cannot even work from home when they have a load more applicants who are healthy and can get into the office to choose from . What about people with pain conditions, just hold on a minute , i need to take pain killers as i am in pain

When my anxiety is bad i have to lie in bed with the sheet over my head , i once couldnt move a muscle for nearly a whole day , how do you do zoom calls , answer phones etc on days like that . Low hanging fruit , taking benefits away is their only tool, the have said it will save three billion, how would you know that before they have even assessed everyone

The DWP have taken your gp and other drs out of equation, the drs that know you cant give their opinion and support anymore . The last face to face assessment was at home as usual and i always ask who they are , ex paramedic with four weeks training . I had to bare myself to her and what she wrote down decides the number of points . That is not acceptable

There will be some who really want to go back to work and can put foward a convincing reason why the company should take them on but why would they take a chance on them. The jobs are just not there for the majority of us

To end my rant i will say nobody dont buy into the narrative that benefits is a lifestyle choice , more than working and easy to get, people can have hidden disabilites so if you think your neighbour is a benefits cheat they maybe are not

I need a lie down

It’s an interesting point you make. This might come across as crass (so apologies in advance) but who is going to take a punt on someone with disabilities (particularly hidden ones) with the new employment rights and the increased NI costs? They’ll likely go for the able bodied person or visibly disabled - yes there are laws about discrimination but proving you’ve not been subject to subconscious bias (or even conscious) is going to be hard. And that’s horrible. It feels like one of those unintended consequences.

Regarding the DWP assessments I’ve long thought it should be the GP who says what your body can and can’t do - ASOS (who whatever they are called) are motivated to find you fit for work. I do get why GPs don’t want to be front line saying your benefits should be cut so some faceless box ticker is better in that sense.

 

[mosssideblue]

That is why i think going for sick snd disabled is a cunts trick , what employer is going to take on people who get anxiety so bad that they cannot even work from home when they have a load more applicants who are healthy and can get into the office to choose from . What about people with pain conditions, just hold on a minute , i need to take pain killers as i am in pain

When my anxiety is bad i have to lie in bed with the sheet over my head , i once couldnt move a muscle for nearly a whole day , how do you do zoom calls , answer phones etc on days like that . Low hanging fruit , taking benefits away is their only tool, the have said it will save three billion, how would you know that before they have even assessed everyone

The DWP have taken your gp and other drs out of equation, the drs that know you cant give their opinion and support anymore . The last face to face assessment was at home as usual and i always ask who they are , ex paramedic with four weeks training . I had to bare myself to her and what she wrote down decides the number of points . That is not acceptable

There will be some who really want to go back to work and can put foward a convincing reason why the company should take them on but why would they take a chance on them. The jobs are just not there for the majority of us

To end my rant i will say nobody dont buy into the narrative that benefits is a lifestyle choice , more than working and easy to get, people can have hidden disabilites so if you think your neighbour is a benefits cheat they maybe are not

I need a lie down

Are you alluding to PiP? My understanding is that if a person’s condition is permanent, then you only get assessed once.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The budget had some surprises so there was always going to be some adjustment and re-adjustment shortly after. It makes SKY News' reporting on the markets yesterday to be, quite frankly, pathetic. 24 hour news channels have a lot to answer for.

Sky you say ............................hmmm .

Are they running the Budget comments in parallel with Sky Sports News regarding the massive uplift in the mood of the world due to the new rag manager being announced ?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Are you alluding to PiP? My understanding is that if a person’s condition is permanent, then you only get assessed once.

How fucking naive!
Understanding based on complete ignorance of the process.

 

[kaz7]

It’s an interesting point you make. This might come across as crass (so apologies in advance) but who is going to take a punt on someone with disabilities (particularly hidden ones) with the new employment rights and the increased NI costs? They’ll likely go for the able bodied person or visibly disabled - yes there are laws about discrimination but proving you’ve not been subject to subconscious bias (or even conscious) is going to be hard. And that’s horrible. It feels like one of those unintended consequences.

Regarding the DWP assessments I’ve long thought it should be the GP who says what your body can and can’t do - ASOS (who whatever they are called) are motivated to find you fit for work. I do get why GPs don’t want to be front line saying your benefits should be cut so some faceless box ticker is better in that sense.

My gp used to write a letter of support for me and what illnesses / conditions he has treated me for , in latter years he said they never read it and chuck them away even . You couldnt ask you drs to write in support of you if you are playing the system so it was an extra layer of proof that what you said on the form was correct for geniune people , the gp had no say on what benefits you get , the government seem to be saying that drs , consultants etc are not capable of telling the truth , very disrespectful

 

[paulchapo]

The most ludicrous part of the budget was the government announcing they were cutting a penny off the price of a pint. I mean why?? What was the point? A few weeks before the budget a pint went up on average 20p a pint. Thankfully I only drink once or twice a week now and I can take it or leave it but a penny.... fucking hell lol.

 

[kaz7]

Are you alluding to PiP? My understanding is that if a person’s condition is permanent, then you only get assessed once.

I think there is a short list of lifetime conditions that have one assessment only , my brother had MS so he was only assessed once

I cant be undisabled and recover from ME and fibro once it became chronic but i get assessed every three years . People should be looked at now and again but it is a game when an assessor got out a tape measure to measure both arms to check the bad one has muscle loss that you get when it disabled, dropping their pen near to me to see if i reach for it with my bad arm .Atos had a box of tricks on them

 

[kaz7]

Sorry all, i have been using this thread to rant , i shall retire for a bit