BUF flags out and Britain Firsts antics

Fame Monster said:
It doesn't matter what you call it - illiberalism, fascism, authoritarianism - the common ground they all have is an extreme intolerance for other people's views.

Do you think if you've just been beaten up by a mob outside a restaurant because you've not raised your fist in support of their cause that you'll be splitting hairs over whether they were authoritarian or illiberal or whether Stalin was on the left or not?

The bottom line is that these are dangerous people with dangerous views and want to create a dangerous society.

The one thing we should have learnt from history is not to underestimate or mistake people like that just because they call themselves 'anti-fascists' or 'socialists' or 'republicans' or any other kind of label.
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You live in a socialist society and you and yours benefit from it .... but you look to the right who want to destroy everything that supports you
 
Fame Monster said:
It doesn't matter what you call it - illiberalism, fascism, authoritarianism - the common ground they all have is an extreme intolerance for other people's views.

Do you think if you've just been beaten up by a mob outside a restaurant because you've not raised your fist in support of their cause that you'll be splitting hairs over whether they were authoritarian or illiberal or whether Stalin was on the left or not?

The bottom line is that these are dangerous people with dangerous views and want to create a dangerous society.

The one thing we should have learnt from history is not to underestimate or mistake people like that just because they call themselves 'anti-fascists' or 'socialists' or 'republicans' or any other kind of label.
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Good grief. This thread is simple, isnt it? Do you think the British Union of Fascists, banned in the 1930s, should be allowed to reform?
 
Vic said:
Good grief. This thread is simple, isnt it? Do you think the British Union of Fascists, banned in the 1930s, should be allowed to reform?
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Exactly


The whole point was should this flag re-emerging be a worry.


Plenty of other threads argue about left v right, and their extreme sides, this was specifically about the BUF and britian first.
 
Vic said:
Good grief. This thread is simple, isnt it? Do you think the British Union of Fascists, banned in the 1930s, should be allowed to reform?
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Good grief you feel we need a thread on Bluemoon to ask that question?
 
Vic said:
Good grief. This thread is simple, isnt it? Do you think the British Union of Fascists, banned in the 1930s, should be allowed to reform?
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Where in the OP did he ask should they be banned? He said he was worried.

My response was that I'm not really bothered about that group per se, next to no-one supports them and I've never seen their flag before in my life and another poster pointed out they've got about 80 followers.

My bigger concern is that history has shown us fascists tend not to say they're fascists and rally around flags saying 'we are the fascists', they claim to be socialists/Marxists/liberals/republicans or anything else you can think of and when they get their opportunity to run a country, they actually prove themselves to be fascists.
 
Fame Monster said:
Where in the OP did he ask should they be banned? He said he was worried.

My response was that I'm not really bothered about that group per se, next to no-one supports them and I've never seen their flag before in my life and another poster pointed out they've got about 80 followers.

My bigger concern is that history has shown us fascists tend not to say they're fascists and rally around flags saying 'we are the fascists', they claim to be socialists/Marxists/liberals/republicans or anything else you can think of and when they get their opportunity to run a country, they actually prove themselves to be fascists.
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I actually said ot was banned amd ot has been since 1040, yet the indifference to it's return is my worry.

The flag is not supposed to be openly used but is being and people either don't realise or care about what it means.

I don't need to ask for the BUF to be banned as they already are.


Same with britain first, they were bamned yet seem to go around unchallenged mainly woth sometimes a challenge by the general public kicking them out of towns.
 
urban genie said:
I actually said ot was banned amd ot has been since 1040, yet the indifference to it's return is my worry.

The flag is not supposed to be openly used but is being and people either don't realise or care about what it means.

I don't need to ask for the BUF to be banned as they already are.
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That's fair enough mate but I honestly wouldn't worry about the British Union of Fascists. I don't think there's ever been a more socially unacceptable time to identify as a fascist and I'm happy to stick my neck on the line and say they won't ever get to power in the next millennia in this country let alone in any of our lifetimes.

If I'm still on this forum when the next few general elections come round and God forbid they win power, I will quite happily buy you a pint.

I just can't see it happening though, I really can't.
 
Fame Monster said:
That's fair enough mate but I honestly wouldn't worry about the British Union of Fascists. I don't think there's ever been a more socially unacceptable time to identify as a fascist and I'm happy to stick my neck on the line and say they won't ever get to power in the next millennia in this country let alone in any of our lifetimes.

If I'm still on this forum when the next few general elections come round and God forbid they win power, I will quite happily buy you a pint.

I just can't see it happening though, I really can't.
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Fascism generally doesn't get elected, it creeps into a nations consciousness and as groups like the DFLA, BUF, become more acceptable, they pull the politicians of the day rightwards, its happening now, it has happened with UKIP and over the last 20 years a country likes ours with a proud tradition of welcoming refugees now has a refugee Home secretary deploying the Royal Navy to stop dinghies. That can only be done because of the creep of fascism moving the norms ever rightwards. We have Johnson thinking of getting rid of the electoral commission, we have the Judiciary challenged and accused of being political, all these small attacks add to a bigger picture. The country is veering towards an extreme right wing state that is borderline fascist and before we know it, it will not only be acceptable to be a fascist, it will be the law and anybody opposed to it, well, you know what happens to them.

You may think this is pie in the sky and OTT hyperbolic, but so did Hindenburg.
 
The extreme right will always be with us. They just tend to implode and change their label every ten years or so. A resurgent BUF will go exactly the same,way as the NF, BNP, EDL, UKIP before them. It will dissolve into infighting then pop up as something else wrapped in a flag. Certainly we should be aware of them and even keep an eye on them,but not necessarily worry too much about their latest version of stupid.
 
Rascal said:
Fascism generally doesn't get elected, it creeps into a nations consciousness and as groups like the DFLA, BUF, become more acceptable, they pull the politicians of the day rightwards, its happening now, it has happened with UKIP and over the last 20 years a country likes ours with a proud tradition of welcoming refugees now has a refugee Home secretary deploying the Royal Navy to stop dinghies. That can only be done because of the creep of fascism moving the norms ever rightwards. We have Johnson thinking of getting rid of the electoral commission, we have the Judiciary challenged and accused of being political, all these small attacks add to a bigger picture. The country is veering towards an extreme right wing state that is borderline fascist and before we know it, it will not only be acceptable to be a fascist, it will be the law and anybody opposed to it, well, you know what happens to them.

You may think this is pie in the sky and OTT hyperbolic, but so did Hindenburg.
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That's kind of my point. I've not said that I'm not concerned by fascism or the erosion of civil liberties. My point is that no group that identifies as fascist will ever get into power in this country.

On the example you gave, I think you have to strike the right balance between completely pandering to the views of an extreme organisation and completely ignoring the views that a lot of the public share, that might otherwise make them vote for an extreme organisation.

We saw that with the BNP towards the end of Labour's last Government. The Labour party wouldn't even debate the concerns that people had around immigration, asylum, the EU and so on, so we had a swathe of BNP councillors and MEPs elected, and Nick Griffin appearing on Question Time.

What a monumental mistake that was, and I'm glad the party in power are talking about those issues even if, when you cut through all the political bluster, their performance is little better than the Labour Party's.
 
I'm particularly enjoying this thread of the Sky History channel trying to convince everyone that they haven't accidentally included a competitor with Nazi face tattoos in their new reality TV show.





 
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