BUF flags out and Britain Firsts antics

[Churchlawtonblue]

There are of course reasons for this and it's not a conscious decision to disadvantage the native poor. However, what a great recruitment opportunity for the BUF - if they step into the void with a hot bowl of soup and a dry place to sleep they can prey upon the victims of this unfairness. It all comes back to the old Tony Benn thing - if we have the money to bomb people, we have the money to help people.

So what's the solution then? Tony Benn, someone whos ideas have grown on me the older I have gotten.

 

[blueinsa]

There are of course reasons for this and it's not a conscious decision to disadvantage the native poor. However, what a great recruitment opportunity for the BUF - if they step into the void with a hot bowl of soup and a dry place to sleep they can prey upon the victims of this unfairness. It all comes back to the old Tony Benn thing - if we have the money to bomb people, we have the money to help people.

Its classic virtue signalling for no other purpose than political gain.

Its the age we now live in unfortunately.

 

[urban genie]

None of us can be happy with the homeless situation in Manchester and other cities. I watched the programme Manctopia a couple of days ago and it highlighted the plight of people trying to get a house and the frustrating points bidding system they have to use to do so. It also highlighted the fantastic work done by the lady who provides a soup kitchen to homeless people and who lost her place in the city. We've all seen despate homeless people in thd City centre. The question I have is, is it wrong for our society and government to ignore peoples housing problems in Manchester and other cities and not provide suitable housing and funds for shelters and soup kitchens while at the same time putting up hundreds of migrants in posh hotels across the country at huge cost. Both sets of people are homeless yet we are prioritising one over the other?

You are aware homeless people have been being put up in hotels during the pandemic in fact the one on debdale park was seconded for that use solely till last month.

Plus equating the two issues is simplistic.


I also when watching manctopia was annoyed at the councik and mayors cop out regarding the danzic st refuge, as there are empty restraunts particularry the italian and thai ones on portland st that have sat empty for years that if willing our leaders could have found a way to be used to facilitate this charity on a temperary basis.

 

[blueinsa]

Homelessness will never be solved or go away because even with the political will to end it, human beings being what they are, some will always fall by the wayside and no matter the help available, will end up in a world of drink, drugs, sofa surfing, on the streets.

I've lived through Tory and Labour governments and not one of them has ever solved the homeless crises and no future government will either.

Sad but there it is.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

None of us can be happy with the homeless situation in Manchester and other cities. I watched the programme Manctopia a couple of days ago and it highlighted the plight of people trying to get a house and the frustrating points bidding system they have to use to do so. It also highlighted the fantastic work done by the lady who provides a soup kitchen to homeless people and who lost her place in the city. We've all seen despate homeless people in thd City centre. The question I have is, is it wrong for our society and government to ignore peoples housing problems in Manchester and other cities and not provide suitable housing and funds for shelters and soup kitchens while at the same time putting up hundreds of migrants in posh hotels across the country at huge cost. Both sets of people are homeless yet we are prioritising one over the other?

FFS ..... there is International legislation surrounding the treatment of Asylum seekers. The UK does the bare minimum (bearing in mind we wrote the UN legislation) they get £37 a week , cannot work and have to be supported whilst their application for asylum is heard.

Perhaps .... If the Government actually built asylum centres ... speeded up the application process ... we wouldn't have to utilise hotels .

We could perhaps even consider a ban on weapons sales


Or maybe ... just maybe ..... the Tories allowed Asylum applications to be made in British Consulates abroad ... we could actually grant asylum before they arrived.


Instead of forcing them to try and cross the channel on nothing more than a fuckin lilo.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Homelessness will never be solved or go away because even with the political will to end it, human beings being what they are, some will always fall by the wayside and no matter the help available, will end up in a world of drink, drugs, sofa surfing, on the streets.

I've lived through Tory and Labour governments and not one of them has ever solved the homeless crises and no future government will either.

Sad but there it is.

The Harold Shipman Defence again

 

[blueinsa]

I voted brexit - are you seriously suggesting that makes me a BUF member or sympathetic to their abhorrent views?

I've reported both posts. We get told time and time again they never lump all brexit voters in. Its a figment of our imagination we get told. Posts get removed and we then get asked for evidence.

Fucking tiresome.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I voted brexit - are you seriously suggesting that makes me a BUF member or sympathetic to their abhorrent views?

So back to the question ..... name one factual known benefit of Brexit other than the ending of free movement.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I've reported both posts. We get told time and time again they never lump all brexit voters in. Its a figment of our imagination we get told. Posts get removed and we then get asked for evidence.

Fucking tiresome.

I'm not bothered tbh, just genuinely interested in how these extreme views and the demonisation of such a large swathe of the population come about. It seems similar to the mechanism of sectarianism and other forms of online radicalisation.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

So back to the question ..... name one factual known benefit of Brexit other than the ending of free movement.

Just checked back over the thread and this question has at no point been raised, so how can we go back to it? I think you need the brexit thread mate.