Bulger Murderer sent back to clink

[DTeacher]

i'm with pigeonho, and yes TMQ, i would walk the walk! i would absolutley love to be the one to flick the switch/push the needle/make them swing or take the shot. No not an internet hero, or a keyboard warrior, i'm just appalled that the likes of whiting, black, huntley et al are never going to be able to contribute to society again, so why keep them alive? The average cost to keep someone in prison in 2008/2009 was £31,106 for a year! Think about the MILLIONS of pounds a year it could free up, for genuine rehabilitation and detecting crime against the most vulnerable members of society, not forgetting all those freed up prison beds, for more of those who deserve it.

An example is roy whiting, that animal is 51. if he lives another 20 years, that's a cost of £600,000 plus. times that by how many of these animals you can think of, amazing isn't it?

so to conclude over half a million pounds per animal, plus all the consumed time of professionals, against eighty quids worth of chemicals, to rid the earth of this vile scum.

Actually, I am pretty certain it costs MORE to kill them than it does to imprison them.

Can't remember where I read the statistics...

 

[Bluemoon115]

i'm with pigeonho, and yes TMQ, i would walk the walk! i would absolutley love to be the one to flick the switch/push the needle/make them swing or take the shot.

And then the next day one of the animals is found to be innocent.

How would you feel then?

 

[glen quagmire]

i'm with pigeonho, and yes TMQ, i would walk the walk! i would absolutley love to be the one to flick the switch/push the needle/make them swing or take the shot. No not an internet hero, or a keyboard warrior, i'm just appalled that the likes of whiting, black, huntley et al are never going to be able to contribute to society again, so why keep them alive? The average cost to keep someone in prison in 2008/2009 was £31,106 for a year! Think about the MILLIONS of pounds a year it could free up, for genuine rehabilitation and detecting crime against the most vulnerable members of society, not forgetting all those freed up prison beds, for more of those who deserve it.

An example is roy whiting, that animal is 51. if he lives another 20 years, that's a cost of £600,000 plus. times that by how many of these animals you can think of, amazing isn't it?

so to conclude over half a million pounds per animal, plus all the consumed time of professionals, against eighty quids worth of chemicals, to rid the earth of this vile scum.

Actually, I am pretty certain it costs MORE to kill them than it does to imprison them.

Can't remember where I read the statistics...

It says that somewhere on the internet, that is when appeals are lodged and the person can be on death row for years and years. i'm talking about, the likes of robert black, he was caught with a kid in his van, or ian brady with a body in his bird's mum's, huntley who was red handed, well you see where i'm going can't you? I do understand there is a mi-nute chance of an innocent person being executed, so that is why i state those who are caught in the act or overwhelming dna evidence should be done, not in a month or a year but as soon as it is proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[glen quagmire]

i'm with pigeonho, and yes TMQ, i would walk the walk! i would absolutley love to be the one to flick the switch/push the needle/make them swing or take the shot.

And then the next day one of the animals is found to be innocent.

How would you feel then?

As iv'e said in above post, with the technological advancement in genetic fingerprints today, it would be very hard to execute the wrong person, like i posted before, i'm not talking about ALL murderers just those like black/huntley/whiting who were caught red handed and therefore have no chance of a successfull appeal.

Another question, how the fuck did venables get a sia license? Those 'protecting' him must've sorted it out for him. This argument is pointless, as the live and let live brigade are winners, as there will never be a change in constitution, to allow capital punishment back in the U.K, so we can all say what we like, adding statistics and venting peronal opinions, it won't change a thing!

 

[GStar]

Just wondering what people think about Bulger's mother claiming "she has a right to know why Venables is back in custody".

Personally i'm not sure why she thinks this? Its a completely seperate alleged crime than the one he's been convicted for, why should she be privvy to information others aren't?

 

[GStar]

As iv'e said in above post, with the technological advancement in genetic fingerprints today, it would be very hard to execute the wrong person, like i posted before, i'm not talking about ALL murderers just those like black/huntley/whiting who were caught red handed and therefore have no chance of a successfull appeal.

So some murderers get to live whilst others die, hardly a fair and balanced system.

 

[glen quagmire]

Just wondering what people think about Bulger's mother claiming "she has a right to know why Venables is back in custody".

Personally i'm not sure why she thinks this? Its a completely seperate alleged crime than the one he's been convicted for, why should she be privvy to information others aren't?

She never got the chance to see her son grow up, didn't give him the protection she could've, she also stated the day of the sentence was handed out that they would re-offend given the chance. i know where you are coming from GStar, but what that woman suffered at the hands of those vile creatures, IMO and it's just mine, she should be allowed to know whatever she wants about them.

 

[GStar]

She never got the chance to see her son grow up, didn't give him the protection she could've, she also stated the day of the sentence was handed out that they would re-offend given the chance. i know where you are coming from GStar, but what that woman suffered at the hands of those vile creatures, IMO and it's just mine, she should be allowed to know whatever she wants about them.

She's not a child psychology expert nor a crime investigator though, she's a woman with immense grief and anger towards the barbaric actions of two kids on her own child.

So Jack Straw rings her up and says, "Hi, so Venables, now know as "Joe Bloggs", living in Morcambe, has been arrested on suspicion of child pornography."

What does she take from that? That Venables is a sick fuck who never deserved to be let out? She already knew that... instead, in her state, she's more likely to go blurting things in public and jeapordising the chances of a free and fair trial which, given his past, would result in a very hefty penalty.

Its a tough decision to give a child "life in prison" but in exception circumstances, exceptional sentances should be given... this was probably one of them, i don't see why Bulger's mother is publically opening old wounds. Its only going to make things harder for herself long run.

 

[Lucas North]

As preposterous as it may seem, what we should do with the 2 vile creatures who gratuitously tortured ,mutilated and battered a defenceless, terrified toddler to death is molly coddle them for a few years ,provide them with the very latest computer games and gadgetry, let them live in comfort and relative luxury and then just let them go.

Oh, wait thats what we did do, didn't work did it.

 

[Anonymous]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

She never got the chance to see her son grow up, didn't give him the protection she could've, she also stated the day of the sentence was handed out that they would re-offend given the chance. i know where you are coming from GStar, but what that woman suffered at the hands of those vile creatures, IMO and it's just mine, she should be allowed to know whatever she wants about them.

She's not a child psychology expert nor a crime investigator though, she's a woman with immense grief and anger towards the barbaric actions of two kids on her own child.

So Jack Straw rings her up and says, "Hi, so Venables, now know as "Joe Bloggs", living in Morcambe, has been arrested on suspicion of child pornography."

What does she take from that? That Venables is a sick fuck who never deserved to be let out? She already knew that... instead, in her state, she's more likely to go blurting things in public and jeapordising the chances of a free and fair trial which, given his past, would result in a very hefty penalty.

Its a tough decision to give a child "life in prison" but in exception circumstances, exceptional sentances should be given... this was probably one of them, i don't see why Bulger's mother is publically opening old wounds. Its only going to make things harder for herself long run.

Grief portrays us in a very funny light............ though i will add she never gave up trying to find the little toerags on release in 2001. Can say this however, the information in her hands would destroy her life and i totally agree with the anonymity, the failings are with the release full stop, far to early and rushed isn't the word....... hence the current outcome. The problem here however is Venables will undoubtedly be afforded a new identification yet again, and i can tell you 100% that it will be a new life in a new country on release....... a code 4 breach on his identification results in this inevitable outcome, and it has categorically been breeched.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

There's also an inherent irony in them wishing death upon the killers, who like it or not were children at the time.

I don't see how the state killing 2 children makes up for the death of another child.

It's a complicated issue. I have no answers but I know that more murder isn't the path to any sort of solution.

 

[Lucas North]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

Spot on, mate

lts much better for us to invade foreign country's and kill people there, its far more civilized.

 

[GStar]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

Exactly.

And the amount of people in this thread who've never been within 100 yards of the inside of a prison, yet think they can accurately describe everyday life there.

 

[Anonymous]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

There's also an inherent irony in them wishing death upon the killers, who like it or not were children at the time.

I don't see how the state killing 2 children makes up for the death of another child.

It's a complicated issue. I have no answers but I know that more murder isn't the path to any sort of solution.

It doesn't make up for it, of course. The day the justice system becomes more about revenge than anything else is the day that our society dies.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

Exactly.

And the amount of people in this thread who've never been within 100 yards of the inside of a prison, yet think they can accurately describe everyday life there.

It's like that bit in Alan Partridge where he mentions about being scared of going to prison and his girlfriend reminds him that he's always saying how easy prison is and how it's like a holiday camp. He responds 'that was another argument'. Sums it up. If prison is so easy then why aren't we all making tactical moves now to secure a strong financial future at the cost of a few years inside a luxury 5 star prison?

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

Exactly.

And the amount of people in this thread who've never been within 100 yards of the inside of a prison, yet think they can accurately describe everyday life there.

thats a separate issue regarding prison surroundings, the point is these two should have experienced it at 21 having left the young offenders homes, not rushed through the system. Told you this last night, all the psychological analysis pointed to this inevitable outcome...... a piss poor job done by the powers that be.

 

[Anonymous]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

Spot on, mate

lts much better for us to invade foreign country's and kill people there, its far more civilized.

I'm really not sure I see your point here.

 

[mammutly]

It disturbs me that there seem to be so many people (several on this thread) who seem to think it's OK to take a person's life. Can they not see that the death penalty merely brings down the society which approves it to the same level of those who they belive should be executed?

Fortunately, there are too many right-minded people in this country for the death penalty to ever be legal again.

Exactly.

And the amount of people in this thread who've never been within 100 yards of the inside of a prison, yet think they can accurately describe everyday life there.

Even more worrying is the amount of imagination and effort some people devote to describing details of their personal ideas for retribution. I'd say some of them take pleasure in it. Very disturbing.

 

[GStar]

thats a separate issue regarding prison surroundings, the point is these two should have experienced it at 21 having left the young offenders homes, not rushed through the system. Told you this last night, all the psychological analysis pointed to this inevitable outcome...... a piss poor job done by the powers that be.

Yea i agree, i don't remeber thier sentances off hand, but if it was life, it should mean life.

It should be outstanding cases that have shown rehabilitation and an ability to integrate back into society as opposed to the norm.