Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[Maldeika]

Bayern got their champions parade done and it felt as emotional as watching paint dry. First thing Pep did was to drop the trophy.

I did not think it was.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWaN7FlhLI[/youtube]

 

[Ruhr]

Tuchel and Schalke had an agreement in winter, but Mainz didn´t release him from his contract. Then Keller had his comeback, playing the best second half of the season in club history.
I think, Tuchel takes a break for the last year of his contract and hires at Schalke next season, when Keller´s contract is over (that at least is what i´ve said in the last months and i wasn´t that wrong).

One has to know, that Schalke and Mainz don´t have a good relationship from the past, so it´s no wonder, they are not to happy to see Tuchel at Schalke.

 

[supercrystal7]

The story is very weird right now as Mainz somehow does not release him from the contract. Seems like the main reason has been trouble inside Mainz, too. The Leverkusen job already is gone to Roger Schmidt who currently is coach of Red Bull Salzburg.

And Schalke - maybe the position of Keller was in danger at the beginning of the year - but after the results of the last weeks it just cannot be.

Could be that Tuchel makes a season without club now.

Did not know the Leverkusen job had gone, but I knew about the complication with Mainz. I expect a club would just buy the rest of his contract out.

As for Schalke I know you like Keller due to what he did at Bayern, but he is an awful manager. Sometimes it's not just about results, but how you achieve then. Keller does not motivate the players, does not discipline them, gives them poor tactics and has not shown he can progress the team. Schalke have a once in 20 years generation of youngsters. No matter how good your youth system is you don't get generations like this coming up often. They need a top manager to take advantage of this.

Keep Keller and they will make top 4 next season and maybe get to the last 16 of the CL. Hire Tuchel and they may pip Dortmund for second and reach the CL quarters. They would have a shot at the cup and with the right signings could be challenging for the title in 2 years.

You mixed that. I do not like Keller. I like his assistant who was at Bayern last year - Peter Hermann. He really is an expert with a lot of experience.

Keller I just do not see as negative as you do.

Keller comes from youth coaching - first from Stuttgart, then he did Schalke youth. I do not even think that he is a bad coach - but he lacks personality. Could be that that is actually that what is missing in the Schalke game more than it is a problem of tactics. Standing and man management often are important, too. He might be successful with young players but have difficulties with older ones.

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And the Tuchel story - I guess there is much more to it than that what we know. Mainz knows for half a year now that he wants to leave. There is something wrong in the communication or something happened that both parties do not want to tell. It was not even possible for both parties to do a press declaration or press conference together.

A good assistant can be wasted if the manager is clueless.

I think a lot of people are too quick to praise managers for results ignoring the players they have at their disposal. The Guardiola situation sums it up perfectly. Nothing that happened in the second half of the situation was not apparent early on, but because Bayern were winning people seemed to ignore the faults.

The same is true for Schalke. It was the quality of players they have that carried Schalke despite of Keller. I have said it before, but Germany as a whole don't seem to realise what they have. They have a golden generation of talent, which even if they don't win anything, probably won't be bettered for decades. Schalke have a real chance to break into the top 8 European clubs with the quality they have breaking through.

Keller is far too open in the big games. How can a team like Schalke go to Madrid and let them counter attack into so much space? It was suicidal and they rightfully were thumped. Defeats like that can damage young players. The Arsenal players still have not got over the beatings United gave them.

As you said the biggest problem is his personality. He lacks charisma and discipline. Far too often Schalke players are lazy and don't work hard enough. Boateng being the worst offender. You cannot let a player smoke and drink inside the stadium it sets an awful example.

The lack of winning mentality if terrible. Chelsea were not a great side at the start of the season, but Draxler had given up the match before it even began. Why did Schalke, the 2nd best team in the group, do the worst against Chelsea? Schalke should have topped that group. The lack of winning mentality at the club is unbelievable and will take a strong manager to turn around.

The same with Leverkusen. How can you explain Leverkusen losing 5-0 at home to the worst United team in 25 years? That's United's biggest EVER away win. Leverkusen were still in good form at the moment. Leverkusen too should have topped their group.

If the mentality of the clubs and a lot of the players don't change then they will completely fail to live up to their potential.

 

[BayernMan]

Dortmund have received A Blow in the negotiations about Immobile

Atletico Madrid are offering 22 million euros to sign him according to kicker which is noticeably higher than Dortmunds offer

Juventus who apparently was ok with Dortmunds offer might change their minds now

http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/immobile-poker-atletico-ubertrumpft-bvb_44726
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Pretty bad since Drimic just went to Leverkusen...

 

[supercrystal7]

Dortmund have received A Blow in the negotiations about Immobile

Atletico Madrid are offering 22 million euros to sign him according to kicker which is noticeably higher than Dortmunds offer

Juventus who apparently was ok with Dortmunds offer might change their minds now

http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/immobile-poker-atletico-ubertrumpft-bvb_44726
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Pretty bad since Drimic just went to Leverkusen...

Do you have any idea how good he is? I don't but Juventus are hardly blessed up front. Why are they letting him go if he has so much potential At the same time Atletico Madrid have not done too badly with the strikers they have had in recent years with Torres, Forlan, Aguero, Falcao and Costa.

This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Dortmund. They have Ramos so why not gamble on Volland or Werner. Though I guess this also confirms that Costa is leaving.

 

[Maldeika]

Dortmund have received A Blow in the negotiations about Immobile

Atletico Madrid are offering 22 million euros to sign him according to kicker which is noticeably higher than Dortmunds offer

Juventus who apparently was ok with Dortmunds offer might change their minds now

http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/immobile-poker-atletico-ubertrumpft-bvb_44726
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Pretty bad since Drimic just went to Leverkusen...

Do you have any idea how good he is? I don't but Juventus are hardly blessed up front. Why are they letting him go if he has so much potential At the same time Atletico Madrid have not done too badly with the strikers they have had in recent years with Torres, Forlan, Aguero, Falcao and Costa.

This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Dortmund. They have Ramos so why not gamble on Volland or Werner. Though I guess this also confirms that Costa is leaving.

Werner is still very raw. And no center forward. The same with Volland - he usually works from the right wing.

 

[supercrystal7]

Dortmund have received A Blow in the negotiations about Immobile

Atletico Madrid are offering 22 million euros to sign him according to kicker which is noticeably higher than Dortmunds offer

Juventus who apparently was ok with Dortmunds offer might change their minds now

http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/immobile-poker-atletico-ubertrumpft-bvb_44726
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Pretty bad since Drimic just went to Leverkusen...

Do you have any idea how good he is? I don't but Juventus are hardly blessed up front. Why are they letting him go if he has so much potential At the same time Atletico Madrid have not done too badly with the strikers they have had in recent years with Torres, Forlan, Aguero, Falcao and Costa.

This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Dortmund. They have Ramos so why not gamble on Volland or Werner. Though I guess this also confirms that Costa is leaving.

Werner is still very raw. And no center forward. The same with Volland - he usually works from the right wing.

That's what Ramos is for. He can do reasonably well enough whilst someone like Werner or Volland learn the role. Werner for me is proper striker. The problem is that with teams playing one upfront they are not prepared to bleed a youngster in that position, because of the responsibility. Werner needs to start playing games as a striker before it's too late.

It's probably a couple of years too early, but when you don't have the funds like other teams you need to make gambles.

 

[Maldeika]

Do you have any idea how good he is? I don't but Juventus are hardly blessed up front. Why are they letting him go if he has so much potential At the same time Atletico Madrid have not done too badly with the strikers they have had in recent years with Torres, Forlan, Aguero, Falcao and Costa.

This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Dortmund. They have Ramos so why not gamble on Volland or Werner. Though I guess this also confirms that Costa is leaving.

Werner is still very raw. And no center forward. The same with Volland - he usually works from the right wing.

That's what Ramos is for. He can do reasonably well enough whilst someone like Werner or Volland learn the role. Werner for me is proper striker. The problem is that with teams playing one upfront they are not prepared to bleed a youngster in that position, because of the responsibility. Werner needs to start playing games as a striker before it's too late.

It's probably a couple of years too early, but when you don't have the funds like other teams you need to make gambles.

The problem is that Ramos can be a gamble, too. He was not very consistent the recent years and does not have any international experience. Look e.g. at Kießling - 15 CL matches, 3 goals (and not against the big guns), 11 EL matches, 1 goal.

And - when I look at the history of the Dortmund and Bayern players - I think that especially the forwards need awhile to be good in that competition.

For Werner it is first important to play... the position is not so important. He lately was not even in the starting formation for Stuttgart. Dortmund is another step upwards. He just got 18.

1. Play in the Bundesliga
2. Get a regular place in the starting formation
3. Move to a club where you can play international football
4. Get a regular place in the starting formation
5. Move to a club where you can play CL football
6. Get a regular place in the starting formation
7, 8, 9

He has reached 1 but not 2 until now. Promising. But leaving for Dortmund he probably would do a Podolski (could take other names) - move to a big club too early in your career...

 

[supercrystal7]

Werner is still very raw. And no center forward. The same with Volland - he usually works from the right wing.

That's what Ramos is for. He can do reasonably well enough whilst someone like Werner or Volland learn the role. Werner for me is proper striker. The problem is that with teams playing one upfront they are not prepared to bleed a youngster in that position, because of the responsibility. Werner needs to start playing games as a striker before it's too late.

It's probably a couple of years too early, but when you don't have the funds like other teams you need to make gambles.

The problem is that Ramos can be a gamble, too. He was not very consistent the recent years and does not have any international experience. Look e.g. at Kießling - 15 CL matches, 3 goals (and not against the big guns), 11 EL matches, 1 goal.

And - when I look at the history of the Dortmund and Bayern players - I think that especially the forwards need awhile to be good in that competition.

For Werner it is first important to play... the position is not so important. He lately was not even in the starting formation for Stuttgart. Dortmund is another step upwards. He just got 18.

1. Play in the Bundesliga
2. Get a regular place in the starting formation
3. Move to a club where you can play international football
4. Get a regular place in the starting formation
5. Move to a club where you can play CL football
6. Get a regular place in the starting formation
7, 8, 9

He has reached 1 but not 2 until now. Promising. But leaving for Dortmund he probably would do a Podolski (could take other names) - move to a big club too early in your career...

To be honest you are right about Werner. Cannot argue with anything you say really.

As for Kiessling I think it's hard to blame him for Leverkusen's choking. There's a serious mentality issue at the club and in a lot of those CL games they have been thumped. Kiessling is not the greatest striker in the world, but I think it's a mistake to not take him to the world cup. He is a useful player to bring on when you are chasing a goal and crossing things in or just lumping it into the box. Loew needs to do what's best for the country rather than carrying on pointless personal fights.

 

[Maldeika]

That's what Ramos is for. He can do reasonably well enough whilst someone like Werner or Volland learn the role. Werner for me is proper striker. The problem is that with teams playing one upfront they are not prepared to bleed a youngster in that position, because of the responsibility. Werner needs to start playing games as a striker before it's too late.

It's probably a couple of years too early, but when you don't have the funds like other teams you need to make gambles.

The problem is that Ramos can be a gamble, too. He was not very consistent the recent years and does not have any international experience. Look e.g. at Kießling - 15 CL matches, 3 goals (and not against the big guns), 11 EL matches, 1 goal.

And - when I look at the history of the Dortmund and Bayern players - I think that especially the forwards need awhile to be good in that competition.

For Werner it is first important to play... the position is not so important. He lately was not even in the starting formation for Stuttgart. Dortmund is another step upwards. He just got 18.

1. Play in the Bundesliga
2. Get a regular place in the starting formation
3. Move to a club where you can play international football
4. Get a regular place in the starting formation
5. Move to a club where you can play CL football
6. Get a regular place in the starting formation
7, 8, 9

He has reached 1 but not 2 until now. Promising. But leaving for Dortmund he probably would do a Podolski (could take other names) - move to a big club too early in your career...

To be honest you are right about Werner. Cannot argue with anything you say really.

As for Kiessling I think it's hard to blame him for Leverkusen's choking. There's a serious mentality issue at the club and in a lot of those CL games they have been thumped. Kiessling is not the greatest striker in the world, but I think it's a mistake to not take him to the world cup. He is a useful player to bring on when you are chasing a goal and crossing things in or just lumping it into the box. Loew needs to do what's best for the country rather than carrying on pointless personal fights.

In Kießling's case he probably does. Kießling doesn't have it to be a starter - and they have the experience with him of the World Cup 2010 where he was not a starter either. There has not been any open stories but there has been problems with him then. It does not help if somebody is not cut out to be a substitute in such a tournament. Some players need the full trust and to be no. 1. And - Kießling is as matching to the style of the German team as a Gomez is.

If we need to chase a goal and we want to go for crossing - Merte and Hummels are pretty well scoring with their head... They can easily do a van Buyten. And we have Schweinsteiger, Khedira and Müller who are not so bad with the head either.