Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[Maldeika]

One specifically for our resident Bayern fans, or any Germans here. I'm writing an article for VAVEL, on Holger Badstuber's career so far etc. I'm looking for some quotes I can use from regular Badstuber watchers.

So, what were you thoughts firstly; when he broke into the Bayern squad, secondly when he nailed down the first team place and finally your thoughts on his two injuries. Thanks.

How good is your German?

There is a documentary called "Hauptsache Fußball" from some years ago - topic young footballers - where he is part of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0HdwmUuco

If you need quotes you might look for some of Hermann Gerland. If you need photos there is a tumblr "blog" called gaertnerplatzgang that mainly has photos from Gomez, Badstuber and Schweinsteiger

There is this interesting article about Badstuber and Hummels http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-86109264.html from two years ago.

Hermann Badstuber - Holger's father - was the best friend of Hermann Gerland, the assistant coach and youth coach that made all the homegrown Bayern players into professionals starting with Hamann and Babbel - to Badstuber, Müller and Alaba. Since van Gaal he works as an assistant coach first for van Gaal, then for Heynckes and now for Guardiola. Hermann Gerland often told that he had Holger on his lap often when he was small and told to his father that he should bring him to him (and Bayern) when he gets older... Gerland and Badstuber got to know and to like each other at the coach seminar. Hermann Badstuber then worked for various youth teams and was part of the leading coaches and mentors of the football school of the South West. Tuchel e.g. calls him his mentor and Gisdol has worked together with him in Ulm until he died short after Holger got professional in 2009.

I do not know what quotes you want.

 

[Bembeltown]

Actually looking forward to the Hoffenheim match now...got two Manchester blues with me as talisman, so work your magic guys! ;)

 

[Alex - City Matters]

One specifically for our resident Bayern fans, or any Germans here. I'm writing an article for VAVEL, on Holger Badstuber's career so far etc. I'm looking for some quotes I can use from regular Badstuber watchers.

So, what were you thoughts firstly; when he broke into the Bayern squad, secondly when he nailed down the first team place and finally your thoughts on his two injuries. Thanks.

How good is your German?

There is a documentary called "Hauptsache Fußball" from some years ago - topic young footballers - where he is part of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0HdwmUuco

If you need quotes you might look for some of Hermann Gerland. If you need photos there is a tumblr "blog" called gaertnerplatzgang that mainly has photos from Gomez, Badstuber and Schweinsteiger

There is this interesting article about Badstuber and Hummels http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-86109264.html from two years ago.

Hermann Badstuber - Holger's father - was the best friend of Hermann Gerland, the assistant coach and youth coach that made all the homegrown Bayern players into professionals starting with Hamann and Babbel - to Badstuber, Müller and Alaba. Since van Gaal he works as an assistant coach first for van Gaal, then for Heynckes and now for Guardiola. Hermann Gerland often told that he had Holger on his lap often when he was small and told to his father that he should bring him to him (and Bayern) when he gets older... Gerland and Badstuber got to know and to like each other at the coach seminar. Hermann Badstuber then worked for various youth teams and was part of the leading coaches and mentors of the football school of the South West. Tuchel e.g. calls him his mentor and Gisdol has worked together with him in Ulm until he died short after Holger got professional in 2009.

I do not know what quotes you want.

Thanks for the information you've gave me, it'll help a lot!

In regards to the quotes, I just wanted your thoughts and opinion of when he broke into the first team and when he got injured (twice...). If you don't mind that I can use hem in my article of course.

 

[Maldeika]

One specifically for our resident Bayern fans, or any Germans here. I'm writing an article for VAVEL, on Holger Badstuber's career so far etc. I'm looking for some quotes I can use from regular Badstuber watchers.

So, what were you thoughts firstly; when he broke into the Bayern squad, secondly when he nailed down the first team place and finally your thoughts on his two injuries. Thanks.

How good is your German?

There is a documentary called "Hauptsache Fußball" from some years ago - topic young footballers - where he is part of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0HdwmUuco

If you need quotes you might look for some of Hermann Gerland. If you need photos there is a tumblr "blog" called gaertnerplatzgang that mainly has photos from Gomez, Badstuber and Schweinsteiger

There is this interesting article about Badstuber and Hummels http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-86109264.html from two years ago.

Hermann Badstuber - Holger's father - was the best friend of Hermann Gerland, the assistant coach and youth coach that made all the homegrown Bayern players into professionals starting with Hamann and Babbel - to Badstuber, Müller and Alaba. Since van Gaal he works as an assistant coach first for van Gaal, then for Heynckes and now for Guardiola. Hermann Gerland often told that he had Holger on his lap often when he was small and told to his father that he should bring him to him (and Bayern) when he gets older... Gerland and Badstuber got to know and to like each other at the coach seminar. Hermann Badstuber then worked for various youth teams and was part of the leading coaches and mentors of the football school of the South West. Tuchel e.g. calls him his mentor and Gisdol has worked together with him in Ulm until he died short after Holger got professional in 2009.

I do not know what quotes you want.

Thanks for the information you've gave me, it'll help a lot!

In regards to the quotes, I just wanted your thoughts and opinion of when he broke into the first team and when he got injured (twice...). If you don't mind that I can use hem in my article of course.

I am somebody who loves young ones to make it especially if they are humble, have the necessary quality and show eagerness to learn. Badstuber came in a package with Müller but his introduction was a lot quieter than Müller's was - even if they both from the start were part of the team. He was in the starting formation from the first day on - not often as one of the central defenders but mainly as left fullback where Bayern had a problem at that time. Badstuber had less bad matches in this season than the most older players like Micho or van Buyten had. He showed a lot more eagerness to work and learn. It just made real fun to see this young ones in the team.

I do not like the young ones that think that they are superstars when they played the first minutes. But this type usually does not survive at Bayern very long - the last one left Munich in summer for Real Madrid even if he was in Munich for a longer time...

And the injuries - that was just a sad story. Especially when it happened a second time. And the muscle injury now in September even if that is a normal injury after such a long period of not playing - and maybe he even played too much for the start because of the other injuries we had at that time. He seemed to be near his former self - Pep was talking about that he is the best defender he has ever worked with. Pep likes to exeggerate but Badstuber comes from the defensive midfield and has a great passing range. He started with running on the pitch Monday and he will make his next comeback after the winter break. This time hopefully with a better end.

If you know German - you might read in the official Bayernforum. There is a thread about every player starting with the first break into the team with reactions and thoughts about him from the start. It is funny to read the starting pages of this threads some years later.

 

[Alex - City Matters]

How good is your German?

There is a documentary called "Hauptsache Fußball" from some years ago - topic young footballers - where he is part of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0HdwmUuco

If you need quotes you might look for some of Hermann Gerland. If you need photos there is a tumblr "blog" called gaertnerplatzgang that mainly has photos from Gomez, Badstuber and Schweinsteiger

There is this interesting article about Badstuber and Hummels http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-86109264.html from two years ago.

Hermann Badstuber - Holger's father - was the best friend of Hermann Gerland, the assistant coach and youth coach that made all the homegrown Bayern players into professionals starting with Hamann and Babbel - to Badstuber, Müller and Alaba. Since van Gaal he works as an assistant coach first for van Gaal, then for Heynckes and now for Guardiola. Hermann Gerland often told that he had Holger on his lap often when he was small and told to his father that he should bring him to him (and Bayern) when he gets older... Gerland and Badstuber got to know and to like each other at the coach seminar. Hermann Badstuber then worked for various youth teams and was part of the leading coaches and mentors of the football school of the South West. Tuchel e.g. calls him his mentor and Gisdol has worked together with him in Ulm until he died short after Holger got professional in 2009.

I do not know what quotes you want.

Thanks for the information you've gave me, it'll help a lot!

In regards to the quotes, I just wanted your thoughts and opinion of when he broke into the first team and when he got injured (twice...). If you don't mind that I can use hem in my article of course.

I am somebody who loves young ones to make it especially if they are humble, have the necessary quality and show eagerness to learn. Badstuber came in a package with Müller but his introduction was a lot quieter than Müller's was - even if they both from the start were part of the team. He was in the starting formation from the first day on - not often as one of the central defenders but mainly as left fullback where Bayern had a problem at that time. Badstuber had less bad matches in this season than the most older players like Micho or van Buyten had. He showed a lot more eagerness to work and learn. It just made real fun to see this young ones in the team.

I do not like the young ones that think that they are superstars when they played the first minutes. But this type usually does not survive at Bayern very long - the last one left Munich in summer for Real Madrid even if he was in Munich for a longer time...

And the injuries - that was just a sad story. Especially when it happened a second time. And the muscle injury now in September even if that is a normal injury after such a long period of not playing - and maybe he even played too much for the start because of the other injuries we had at that time. He seemed to be near his former self - Pep was talking about that he is the best defender he has ever worked with. Pep likes to exeggerate but Badstuber comes from the defensive midfield and has a great passing range. He started with running on the pitch Monday and he will make his next comeback after the winter break. This time hopefully with a better end.

If you know German - you might read in the official Bayernforum. There is a thread about every player starting with the first break into the team with reactions and thoughts about him from the start. It is funny to read the starting pages of this threads some years later.

Thanks, they were exactly what I needed, I hope you don't mind me using them?

 

[supercrystal7]

All four Bundesliga teams made it through once again, though 2 teams came seconded. I think the quarter final is a good indicator of the strength of the domestic leagues. Spain have only 3 teams, but all three top their groups. Germany have all four with 2 topping their group, whilst the Premiership has 3 through with only 1 topping the group. Also shows how far Serie A has fallen. The French league is probably a stronger league now even if only, because of PSG.

Meyer is such a big talent. Strange how he has gone under the radar. Chelsea did Schalke a big favour. I wonder how far Di Matteo can take them.

 

[Maldeika]

I think Schalke fans do not know what to feel right now - sadness about their own teams or schadenfreude when they see Dortmund's results...

Only Paderborn has a lower budget than Augsburg...

Funnily it was Schieber who scored against Dortmund... That Schieber for which the Dortmund fans had a song with the line... "If Schieber shoots a goal, all sing together: "you have the worst defense in the world..." when he played for them... ;)

 

[bluechampion7891]

how long before it is mathematically impossible for dortmund to get top 4? (actually i think i can work that out)

how long before it is practically impossible for dortmund to get top 4?

 

[Maldeika]

how long before it is mathematically impossible for dortmund to get top 4? (actually i think i can work that out)

how long before it is practically impossible for dortmund to get top 4?

Matchday 15 of 34 - they have 14 points.

Max. points they can get out of the remaining matches are 19*3=57 - so they could still get 71 points when they win all remaining matches.

You usually needed more than 59/60 points in the most seasons to get into the CL ranks. Wolfsburg last year with 60 did not. But let us take that 60 points.

To get them Dortmund would need to get 46 points out of the 19 matches - an average of 2.42 points per match. That point average is higher than they made it in their own record winning season 3 years ago in which they won the league with 81 points.

It would mean that they would have to have atleast
16 wins or more (3 losses)
15 wins and one draw (3 losses)
14 wins and 4 draws (1 loss)
from now on.

Their next 3 matches are Wolfsburg (2nd), Bremen and after the winter break Leverkusen.

Last season they made 40 points in the last 19 matchdays - that would get them to 54 points end of the season and would probably get them into the Europa League spots.

But - it is not only luck when a team is down so deep in the relegation zone. There is things wrong in this team. The tactics Klopp relies on need a team - but all of the players have developed in the last seasons, they are no Nobodies anymore and have gotten some new players that might have their own ideas. And the league plays smarter against them than they did the seasons before...

 

[supercrystal7]

But - it is not only luck when a team is down so deep in the relegation zone. There is things wrong in this team. The tactics Klopp relies on need a team - but all of the players have developed in the last seasons, they are no Nobodies anymore and have gotten some new players that might have their own ideas. And the league plays smarter against them than they did the seasons before...

It's a lack of quality that is killing them. Players are the key to any team. Dortmund got very lucky that Gundogan/Lewandowski turned out to be as great as they were. You cannot expect something like that to happen often. They were then fortunate to have two world class talents in the youth academy as well as Bayern letting Hummels go. Everything worked out perfectly for them and they arrogantly did not realise how fortunate they were or how impossible it was to replicate such success. When Bayern took Gotze they should have bought Ozil. It was worth taking the gamble. If they failed to get him then got a short term stop gap until someone of equal quality became available ie Sanchez/Mata/Di Maria/Meyer. They should have sold Lewandowski and bought in Higuain/Cavani/Suarez. The idea of buying two average players to replace a world class player is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

That apart Klopp decided to focus on speed and forget the technical aspect of the game. Mkhitaryan, Immobile and Aubameyang can all run, but they lack technical ability. In a time where Dortmund had just reached a CL final and were the 2nd best team in Europe they needed to act like it. It was inevitable that teams would park the bus against them. They could no longer play the underdog mentality.

The final nail was bringing back average failed players that had already left the club. It sends a bad message to those that stayed and destroys moral.

Combine that with injuries and you have the problem with Dortmund. That being said even if they had Reus they would be top 3.


Whatever happens there has to be great change in Dortmund. Most likely they won't make top 4 and won't win the CL. Sell Gundogan, Bender, Hummels and Reus for 100 million. Sell the deadweight like Kagawa, Ji, Immobile, Jojic and bring back youngsters like Hofmann and Leitner. Build a new team with 50 million and reduce expectations: players like Volland and Firminio. The time for big spending has gone they missed that boat after they wasted the 2012/2013 opportunity. . The new aim should be to get top 4 for the foreseeable future. Sign the talented youngsters like new Goretzka/Brandt that are about.

In the short term they should do everything possible to swap Higuain and Immobile till the end of the season. It's a move that would work well for all parties involved.