Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[supercrystal7]

The league is settled already... Wolfsburg's pretense of a challenge ended quickly. The Bundesliga is never going to have true global appeal because to have that you need a long-lasting rivalry. Dortmund's battle with Bayern made more of the world open its eyes to the BuLi and now apathy is setting in again. The league really needs someone with an owner wealthy and ballsy enough to pay big salaries and not let Bayern take whoever they want. RB Leipzig? Wolfsburg are spending a bit again but their strikers are awful.

This is something the Bayern fans don't seem to realise. The Bundesliga is set for another big collapse. The only saving grace is the high quality of players they produce. Once Dortmund collapse the English clubs will reap the benefits and then become far stronger than the other German clubs. Gotze leaving for Bayern is what killed the league. Until that moment the two best teams in Europe were from the Bundesliga and they would have dominated Europe. The Bayern vs Dortmund era could have become something legendary propelling the Bundesliga.

Bayern don't deserve all or even most of the blame though. Teams like Schalke, Hamburg and especially Dortmund destroyed themselves.

Bayern still have the best squad in the world and Robben is really as good as any player out there. However, their stupid high line will be exposed and don't see them getting past Madrid or Chelsea.

 

[bluechampion7891]

bottom placed werder bremen 2-0 up against dortmund with 30 mins to go...it really looks RIP BVB

 

[MCFC4EVR]

Surely having no serious competition Harms Bayern as well they end up getting complacent and when they play the big teams in the Champions League their weaknesses such as the ridiculously high line Crystal metioned are exposed and chances are ruthlessy taken.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Well done Bremen! Mrs Innsbruck will be happy tonight!

 

[Maldeika]

The league is settled already... Wolfsburg's pretense of a challenge ended quickly. The Bundesliga is never going to have true global appeal because to have that you need a long-lasting rivalry. Dortmund's battle with Bayern made more of the world open its eyes to the BuLi and now apathy is setting in again. The league really needs someone with an owner wealthy and ballsy enough to pay big salaries and not let Bayern take whoever they want. RB Leipzig? Wolfsburg are spending a bit again but their strikers are awful.

This is something the Bayern fans don't seem to realise. The Bundesliga is set for another big collapse. The only saving grace is the high quality of players they produce. Once Dortmund collapse the English clubs will reap the benefits and then become far stronger than the other German clubs. Gotze leaving for Bayern is what killed the league. Until that moment the two best teams in Europe were from the Bundesliga and they would have dominated Europe. The Bayern vs Dortmund era could have become something legendary propelling the Bundesliga.

Bayern don't deserve all or even most of the blame though. Teams like Schalke, Hamburg and especially Dortmund destroyed themselves.

Bayern still have the best squad in the world and Robben is really as good as any player out there. However, their stupid high line will be exposed and don't see them getting past Madrid or Chelsea.

I still let you the hope...

If you think that Götze leaving Dortmund had anything to do with their collapse now you probably are very wrong... Götze left the sinking ship at the right time. Dortmund's tactics have always been build on team that makes the single player better and Götze never was carrying that team - he never showed anything but being a very good talent at Dortmund, never the full player - he still is not.

Some have to understand that you have to be consistently working on a system and improvement - and on the team structure. Klopp was all about team, counter attacking, pressing and motivation. The motivation factor somewhen starts to fade when you are told the same stuff since 5 years - that happened with Klopp at Mainz and it does in Dortmund. And when half of a league try the same like Dortmund the other half of the league will develop a strategy against this kind of systems - and you remark they did - especially as Dortmund is most vulnerable to their own medicine... - and their team is not anymore the hungry equal young ones they have been in their Champion seasons.

And Pep will play against Madrid or Chelsea the next time like he played in the Cup final against Dortmund. With 3 on the back and with a different set-up. The fantastic about Bayern right now (not yesterdays match as they are just tired) is that they can do so much different set-ups and tactics.

Tell me why Bayern should change anything when the others make mistakes. They just try everything to improve. If the others would do the same and work as hard and as smart they would not be where they are.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

The league is settled already... Wolfsburg's pretense of a challenge ended quickly. The Bundesliga is never going to have true global appeal because to have that you need a long-lasting rivalry. Dortmund's battle with Bayern made more of the world open its eyes to the BuLi and now apathy is setting in again. The league really needs someone with an owner wealthy and ballsy enough to pay big salaries and not let Bayern take whoever they want. RB Leipzig? Wolfsburg are spending a bit again but their strikers are awful.

This is something the Bayern fans don't seem to realise. The Bundesliga is set for another big collapse. The only saving grace is the high quality of players they produce. Once Dortmund collapse the English clubs will reap the benefits and then become far stronger than the other German clubs. Gotze leaving for Bayern is what killed the league. Until that moment the two best teams in Europe were from the Bundesliga and they would have dominated Europe. The Bayern vs Dortmund era could have become something legendary propelling the Bundesliga.

Bayern don't deserve all or even most of the blame though. Teams like Schalke, Hamburg and especially Dortmund destroyed themselves.

Bayern still have the best squad in the world and Robben is really as good as any player out there. However, their stupid high line will be exposed and don't see them getting past Madrid or Chelsea.

I still let you the hope...

If you think that Götze leaving Dortmund had anything to do with their collapse now you probably are very wrong... Götze left the sinking ship at the right time. Dortmund's tactics have always been build on team that makes the single player better and Götze never was carrying that team - he never showed anything but being a very good talent at Dortmund, never the full player - he still is not.

Some have to understand that you have to be consistently working on a system and improvement - and on the team structure. Klopp was all about team, counter attacking, pressing and motivation. The motivation factor somewhen starts to fade when you are told the same stuff since 5 years - that happened with Klopp at Mainz and it does in Dortmund. And when half of a league try the same like Dortmund the other half of the league will develop a strategy against this kind of systems - and you remark they did - especially as Dortmund is most vulnerable to their own medicine... - and their team is not anymore the hungry equal young ones they have been in their Champion seasons.

And Pep will play against Madrid or Chelsea the next time like he played in the Cup final against Dortmund. With 3 on the back and with a different set-up. The fantastic about Bayern right now (not yesterdays match as they are just tired) is that they can do so much different set-ups and tactics.

Tell me why Bayern should change anything when the others make mistakes. They just try everything to improve. If the others would do the same and work as hard and as smart they would not be where they are.

The only complaint anyone can rightly have is Bayern's support of the prohibitive anti-EU, anti-investment regime that is extremely damaging to leagues such as the Bundesliga. If Bayern had done what they have whilst the likes of Dortmund or Hamburg or Hoffenheim or even a Hansa Rostock had been allowed to throw hundreds of millions at it, then their achievements would be much more highly regarded compared to now, where you're just seen as a club that has bullied everyone into submission by not letting them compete with you in the transfer market. You might say why should we, but in the EU, and a free market, football should be no different and any club should be able to spend an owner's investment.

 

[Maldeika]

The only complaint anyone can rightly have is Bayern's support of the prohibitive anti-EU, anti-investment regime that is extremely damaging to leagues such as the Bundesliga. If Bayern had done what they have whilst the likes of Dortmund or Hamburg or Hoffenheim or even a Hansa Rostock had been allowed to throw hundreds of millions at it, then their achievements would be much more highly regarded compared to now, where you're just seen as a club that has bullied everyone into submission by not letting them compete with you in the transfer market. You might say why should we, but in the EU, and a free market, football should be no different and any club should be able to spend an owner's investment.

Why should the fans of the clubs be glad if somebody takes their club as a toy and puts money in it? Right now most clubs are fan-owned. The most German fans do not like ideas like this and like it the way it is right now.

Do not always try to compare the EPL with the Bundesliga - we have another structure and a special club culture. And about all of the German clubs fight for FFP - the others even more than Bayern does. Bayern does not need to fear anybody as long as they work the way they do.

 

[Ruhr]

surely Bayern destroyed BVB (not that i´m sorry about that), but that´s the way it is.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

The only complaint anyone can rightly have is Bayern's support of the prohibitive anti-EU, anti-investment regime that is extremely damaging to leagues such as the Bundesliga. If Bayern had done what they have whilst the likes of Dortmund or Hamburg or Hoffenheim or even a Hansa Rostock had been allowed to throw hundreds of millions at it, then their achievements would be much more highly regarded compared to now, where you're just seen as a club that has bullied everyone into submission by not letting them compete with you in the transfer market. You might say why should we, but in the EU, and a free market, football should be no different and any club should be able to spend an owner's investment.

Why should the fans of the clubs be glad if somebody takes their club as a toy and puts money in it? Right now most clubs are fan-owned. The most German fans do not like ideas like this and like it the way it is right now.

Do not always try to compare the EPL with the Bundesliga - we have another structure and a special club culture. And about all of the German clubs fight for FFP - the others even more than Bayern does. Bayern does not need to fear anybody as long as they work the way they do.

Well the Germans are wrong, simple as. It's protectionism, anti-business, anti-investment and is the reason why the likes of Hamburg, Schalke, Dortmund and Stuttgart aren't run properly.

Anyone with a brain would accept concrete investment over a bunch of clueless, fickle fans in terms of running their club, it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

No-one can argue against a rich investor putting affordable capital into a club, we're not talking £100m in loans here, we're talking cash, deposited, and invested properly. Rules can allow for that, what your rules do is prevent investment, and prevent competition. Bad Germans.

 

[bayern-flo2]

Well the Germans are wrong, simple as. It's protectionism, anti-business, anti-investment and is the reason why the likes of Hamburg, Schalke, Dortmund and Stuttgart aren't run properly.

Most of them aren't run properly because their management is shit. Most of them are only good in talking shit and complaining. Why are clubs like Gladbach, Augsburg or Frankfurt doing things better than them???

Just look what Dortmund has done with all the money at the beginning of the 90s or after their IPO in 2000. At that time they were the big money spenders and wage payers, not Bayern. And I can't remember Bayern complaining about that situation like the other clubs do today.