Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

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But ain't that normal? That successful teams have all kinds of followers? Are only the ones real fans that live nearby and can watch live matches or that that stick hundreds of EUR in to watch as much matches as possible?

Else I have to question if I am a real fan either as I have been only to a few matches over the years - friendlies if Bayern was in the area, three or four in Frankfurt (it is difficult to get tickets and I paid far over the price then), two in Nuremberg, a Cup final in Berlin and about a dozen in Munich. In fourty years. Actually so I like the stadium atmosphere I enjoy (and in the last years prefer) watching football alone in front of my TV and I haven't been in Munich now in the recent five years.

My brother is Schalke fan - his old company had VIP boxes at Schalke and as he was one of the junior bosses of one of their branches he often went their with customers. That got him fixed onto Schalke. And yes, I tease him - not that I will not get it back when he has a chance, too. His stepdaughter is Eintracht fan - she does the same... So - how much of it is banter and how much of it is real? Because I am sure I would have teased you when you would be watching together with me.

You are out of Innsbruck, too? Why are you not fan of Wacker Innsbruck or another club in Austria?

I do not dislike anybody because he is a fan of X or Y - there is Bayern fans I like and some that I surely do not.

I live near Frankfurt. But the Eintracht never caught my interest - and I got to know some of their players including Yeboah in the 90s when I stood together with them on a fair for a whole day and we spent the breaks together sitting in a space in the back behind our stand drinking coffee and talking.

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Bayern is not the media darling - the media darling is Dortmund - especially with the ZDF or some at Sky. Sometimes you think the speaker masturbates during their matches...

But your right that if somebody in Munich coughs it is in the media - good or bad.
 
I got to agree with Insbruck Blue on that one....Full respect to all the Bayern fans who go to matches on a regular basis and who follow their team home and away.
In my opinion those are the real fans and I do have respect for them. Beeing a fan for me is supporting the club "out there" and not sitting in my armchair, wanking myself silly over the team...

However the majority of Bayern fans is the kind of people Insbruck Blue described. No connection to the club or city other than following a successfull team. They wear their replica shirts with pride and are usually the ones gloating at fans of other clubs and giving it the big as as if it was some kind of heroic achievement to follow a club that always had success and always will have success.

Bayern fans are like kids playing video games with cheats and then bragging in front of their mates who play the game without. Those fans are usually the ones who all of a sudden don´t show up in their shirts anymore as soon as things don´t go their way (like Dortmund winning the league twice).

But every club which has success will attract those kind of "fans"...Dortmund fans have become almost as unbearable as Bayern fans in the last 3 years. At work we got a couple of Dortmund "fans" who were not interested in football at all until 3 or 4 years ago. All was fine for them until this season when they all of a sudden realized what it means to support a team that struggles.

I enjoy it a lot to tease them with their "echte Liebe" bullshit whenever they start to moan again...Wonder how long it will take until they pick up Bayern as their team. :)

As I got a heart for Bayern fans and especially the poor one´s who don´t go to matches often (does that mean I like 90% of Bayern fans?) I can offer you to get tickets for the next Frankfurt - Bayern match Maldeika! ;)
 
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@Innsbruckblue

You are out of Innsbruck, too? Why are you not fan of Wacker Innsbruck or another club in Austria?
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Good question.

I grew up in Manchester and was a season ticket holders City for 10 years before moving abroad for my career. I can only give my full support to one club, City, even if I only get to see them live once a season and try to watch the rest of the games via a (usually) Russian live stream. I chose to move away from Manchester, so now I can't attend games regularly.
As for Wacker Innsbruck, everywhere I've lived since leaving Manchester, I've watched the local teams play: Rayo Vallecano, Real & Atletico, Lok/VfB Leipzig, Sachsen/Chemie Leipzig, RB Leipzig, Dynamo Dresden, Erzgebirge Aue, etc, etc,etc. In Innsbruck it is actually not the nicest experience watching Wacker play in a stadium that holds 17,000 but only 1,800-2,000 fans turn up, and they spend 90 minutes criticising the manager, players and board. There's a lot of poison from the stands at the moment. Because of this, I prefer to watch the amateur teams play: SK Wilten, SV Innsbruck where the atmosphere is much friendlier. As I've already said, despite watching these teams more often than City, City is in my blood, and has been since I was 6 years old and living in Manchester.
 
I'll give Bayern the concentration levels thing, they don't let their concentration drop often and even when they do it's for such short spells of time it takes something special to take advantage (Silva's performance in Munich last year, Real Madrid's counter attacking, Aguero's 100% strike rate in that match this year), in fact, I think the great runs of form we've gone on after beating Munich both seasons under Pellegrini have been because some of their intensity and intelligence has rubbed off on the players.
 
Bembeltown said:
I got to agree with Insbruck Blue on that one....Full respect to all the Bayern fans who go to matches on a regular basis and who follow their team home and away.
In my opinion those are the real fans and I do have respect for them. Beeing a fan for me is supporting the club "out there" and not sitting in my armchair, wanking myself silly over the team...

However the majority of Bayern fans is the kind of people Insbruck Blue described. No connection to the club or city other than following a successfull team. They wear their replica shirts with pride and are usually the ones gloating at fans of other clubs and giving it the big as as if it was some kind of heroic achievement to follow a club that always had success and always will have success.

Bayern fans are like kids playing video games with cheats and then bragging in front of their mates who play the game without. Those fans are usually the ones who all of a sudden don´t show up in their shirts anymore as soon as things don´t go their way (like Dortmund winning the league twice).

But every club which has success will attract those kind of "fans"...Dortmund fans have become almost as unbearable as Bayern fans in the last 3 years. At work we got a couple of Dortmund "fans" who were not interested in football at all until 3 or 4 years ago. All was fine for them until this season when they all of a sudden realized what it means to support a team that struggles.

I enjoy it a lot to tease them with their "echte Liebe" bullshit whenever they start to moan again...Wonder how long it will take until they pick up Bayern as their team. :)

As I got a heart for Bayern fans and especially the poor one´s who don´t go to matches often (does that mean I like 90% of Bayern fans?) I can offer you to get tickets for the next Frankfurt - Bayern match Maldeika! ;)
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@Bembeltown

I see that different. It is nice when you live near the stadium. But the other fans are real fans, too. There is enough that bleed the same way for their teams as the ones that go to the stadiums - where the club takes as much room in their life as for the ones that can visit every match. There is people in the stadium that only go there because of the event...

And I do not know any Bayern fan that is like you describe it. They vanished in the Dortmund corner in the recent years. But there is fans in all categories and their interest in football comes in different intensity. From the ones that only watch football occasionally, to the ones that listen to the radio and watch the Sportschau every weekend - to the ones that invest into Sky - to the ones that go to the matches.

But it is stupid group thinking in which only their club has real fans and the others must be different. I do not doubt that there might be fans that are this way - but all clubs do attract all kind of characters. There is a lot Eintracht fans that only come or watch in times of success, too...

A City fan that is a fan for 40 years - does it make him a success fan when today he expects a win and does not like it to loose against a midtable team. Or if he is not satisfied with a second or third place? Are the fans that joined City in the recent years - or are from out of the town - worse than the ones that live in Manchester? Are the ones that cannot afford the tickets or have other goals that are more important worse than the ones that (can) pay any price? I am just asking. I do not like it when people categorize others and they are usually in the "best" bracket...

The ticket is not really a problem today as it would cost me only a phone call to get one probably even for free - but my health is. So I will stay that armchair fan that is probably not a real fan... ;) But I enjoy that way. In the stadium it is more the atmosphere - at home it is more the football. I often watch matches more than once to see other perspectives in the match. I cannot even stand my son being in the same room or talking when I watch football.
 
As mentioned previously, the reason many city fans have a dislike for Bayern (not myself) is that we see lots of comparatives with MUFC.

Also, what Innsbruck is describing is another thing many of us see a lot in English football. Most famously, the United fans from the South who have only supported the side since the 90's and the glory days for the past 20 years. I'm sure there is fans of Bayern that are the same. They do many of the things Bembeltown describes, gloat to other fans about how great they are whilst they mock and belittle other clubs.

However, what is different for Bayern is that they tend to represent Bavaria. In the England we have 5 (?) national leagues, so every bug town has a decent team in most cases.bwhereas, if I look to. Germany there are quite a few places that don't have big teams, which leads to a lot of "Glory Hunters" for teams such as Bayern, Dortmund even HSV and Stuttgart.



This one is for you Innsbruck, do Wacker still have them awful kits with the badge all the way across the top? Especially the gold-ish ones!
 
MCFCHOWELL said:
As mentioned previously, the reason many city fans have a dislike for Bayern (not myself) is that we see lots of comparatives with MUFC.

Also, what Innsbruck is describing is another thing many of us see a lot in English football. Most famously, the United fans from the South who have only supported the side since the 90's and the glory days for the past 20 years. I'm sure there is fans of Bayern that are the same. They do many of the things Bembeltown describes, gloat to other fans about how great they are whilst they mock and belittle other clubs.

However, what is different for Bayern is that they tend to represent Bavaria. In the England we have 5 (?) national leagues, so every bug town has a decent team in most cases.bwhereas, if I look to. Germany there are quite a few places that don't have big teams, which leads to a lot of "Glory Hunters" for teams such as Bayern, Dortmund even HSV and Stuttgart.



This one is for you Innsbruck, do Wacker still have them awful kits with the badge all the way across the top? Especially the gold-ish ones!
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I have absolutely no idea which kits you mean, so obviously they don't anymore!
I only moved to Innsbruck last Easter, so am still learning.
I think the current Wacker kits are quite nice, but now I'm going to do some research on their former kits, and I'll hopefully know what you mean!
 
Bembeltown said:
I got to agree with Insbruck Blue on that one....Full respect to all the Bayern fans who go to matches on a regular basis and who follow their team home and away.
In my opinion those are the real fans and I do have respect for them. Beeing a fan for me is supporting the club "out there" and not sitting in my armchair, wanking myself silly over the team...

However the majority of Bayern fans is the kind of people Insbruck Blue described. No connection to the club or city other than following a successfull team. They wear their replica shirts with pride and are usually the ones gloating at fans of other clubs and giving it the big as as if it was some kind of heroic achievement to follow a club that always had success and always will have success.

Bayern fans are like kids playing video games with cheats and then bragging in front of their mates who play the game without. Those fans are usually the ones who all of a sudden don´t show up in their shirts anymore as soon as things don´t go their way (like Dortmund winning the league twice).

But every club which has success will attract those kind of "fans"...Dortmund fans have become almost as unbearable as Bayern fans in the last 3 years. At work we got a couple of Dortmund "fans" who were not interested in football at all until 3 or 4 years ago. All was fine for them until this season when they all of a sudden realized what it means to support a team that struggles.

I enjoy it a lot to tease them with their "echte Liebe" bullshit whenever they start to moan again...Wonder how long it will take until they pick up Bayern as their team. :)

As I got a heart for Bayern fans and especially the poor one´s who don´t go to matches often (does that mean I like 90% of Bayern fans?) I can offer you to get tickets for the next Frankfurt - Bayern match Maldeika! ;)
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Lol! I live in the States and its the same thing except replace that with ManUre, R.Madrid, and Barca fans...those type of fans are everywhere you go sadly....
 
This is the kit Innsbruck.

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