Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[bayern-flo2]

Second is another Oktoberfest kit, Bayern Munich from 2013.

Bayern Munich third kit 2013/14

Your picture only shows half of the ugliness... They should have been forced to wear those hats!
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Oktoberfest-Shirt of the RB Munich icehockey team...

Unfortunately Dortmund's sponsor RAG only puts its brand evonik on the shirt...

 

[Alex - City Matters]

Second is another Oktoberfest kit, Bayern Munich from 2013.

Bayern Munich third kit 2013/14

Your picture only shows half of the ugliness... They should have been forced to wear those hats!
[bigimg]http://www.sky.de/web/cms/static/img/sport_news_bilder/bl1_bayern_trikot_768-445x250.jpg[/bigimg]

Oktoberfest-Shirt of the RB Munich icehockey team...

Unfortunately Dortmund's sponsor RAG only puts its brand evonik on the shirt...

I didn't know there was a RB Munich ice hockey team. I've heard a lot about the Ingolstadt ice hockey team, is that the best sport around that region of Bavaria?

 

[Maldeika]

I didn't know there was a RB Munich ice hockey team. I've heard a lot about the Ingolstadt ice hockey team, is that the best sport around that region of Bavaria?

Icehockey is played in a lot cities in Germany. From Hamburg to Munich. Hopp, Hoffenheim you know, is involved in the Adler Mannheim, too. (And into the Handball Rhein-Neckar Löwen and the Golf team...). It is played in Icehalls so does not depend too much on the weather.

But you have sports regions in Germany that are involved more into winter sports than others. The mountain regions in Bayern and Baden-Württemberg and some regions in East-Germany.

There is promotion videos of Adidas for that away kit...

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZgjqwEdt0[/video]

It was a good kit - I think we only lost once in it and that was at the end of last season.

 

[Alex - City Matters]

I didn't know there was a RB Munich ice hockey team. I've heard a lot about the Ingolstadt ice hockey team, is that the best sport around that region of Bavaria?

Icehockey is played in a lot cities in Germany. From Hamburg to Munich. Hopp, Hoffenheim you know, is involved in the Adler Mannheim, too. (And into the Handball Rhein-Neckar Löwen and the Golf team...). It is played in Icehalls so does not depend too much on the weather.

But you have sports regions in Germany that are involved more into winter sports than others. The mountain regions in Bayern and Baden-Württemberg and some regions in East-Germany.

There is promotion videos of Adidas for that away kit...

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZgjqwEdt0[/video]

It was a good kit - I think we only lost once in it and that was at the end of last season.

I don't think the hats helped for the kit promotion, the players look like ticket collectors on trains!

Sol would I be right in saying that Stuttgart has a good ice hockey team? Considering they're from the Baden Württemberg area?
Also, how good is the Ingolstadt team? For some reason I like the football club and so I'm interested in their other sports. There seems to be more fans at their ice hockey games than the football games at the Audi Sportpark!

 

[Ruhr]

When i was a kid, ice hockey was really played in small south german towns like Bad Tölz or Riessersee and for some reason in Cologne, Düsseldorf and Mannheim. Then they decided (like basketball and handball, the other two popular team sports in germany) to go into big cities (partly with a licence system like in the US sports)

That are the top attendances in the ice hockey league (Ingolstadt is the current champion)

Eisbären Berlin (12,737), Kölner Haie (11,712), Adler Mannheim (11,283) Hamburg Freezers (8,506), Düsseldorf EG (5,683), Krefeld Pinguine (5,513) Augsburg Panther (5,253).
Nürnberg and Wolfsburg have also a team and smaller towns like Schwenningen, but there isn´t one in Stuttgart.

Red Bull München has 3,654 per match, if i remember right, ice hockey in munich never really worked (like in the Ruhr Valley, where football is simply too dominant). Ingolstadt has 3,640 per match, so its lower than the footballers

 

[Alex - City Matters]

When i was a kid, ice hockey was really played in small south german towns like Bad Tölz or Riessersee and for some reason in Cologne, Düsseldorf and Mannheim. Then they decided (like basketball and handball, the other two popular team sports in germany) to go into big cities (partly with a licence system like in the US sports)

That are the top attendances in the ice hockey league (Ingolstadt is the current champion)

Eisbären Berlin (12,737), Kölner Haie (11,712), Adler Mannheim (11,283) Hamburg Freezers (8,506), Düsseldorf EG (5,683), Krefeld Pinguine (5,513) Augsburg Panther (5,253).
Nürnberg and Wolfsburg have also a team and smaller towns like Schwenningen, but there isn´t one in Stuttgart.

Red Bull München has 3,654 per match, if i remember right, ice hockey in munich never really worked (like in the Ruhr Valley, where football is simply too dominant). Ingolstadt has 3,640 per match, so its lower than the footballers

That surprises me about Ingolstadt. I know the town is relatively quite small, but I thought that they'd have at least one sport where a lot of people go. Maybe if they go up this season, they'll fill the Audi Sportpark?

Also, is the Ingolstadt team (am I right in saying it's something like EV Ingolstadt? Or something) backed by Audi as with the fußball team?

 

[Maldeika]

Icehockey is played in Germany since ages. It just has been more or less popular in different cities or regions. I guess there has been clubs about everywhere. It is like in other sports like Handball or e.g. Wrestling (greek-roman style...) where you have regions in Germany that excelled in that and others where the sport just was not important.

That are the German Champions since 1912...

But it is like in football - you have the rise and the downfall of clubs. When I was a kid we went into skiing holidays in Austria near the border to Garmisch-Partenkirchen. At that time Rießersee (the Icehockeyclub) was very popular. I had to look where you can find them today... - they finished rank 6 in the second league last season.

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That Bayern kit was a big success and sold very well... ;)

 

[Ruhr]

always having a laugh, when i see the two east german dynamo clubs in that list. In 1969 the GDR decided to give no money for icehockey anymore, as there were no chance of winning a medal at the olympics in that sport. But the chief of the secret service "Stasi" was an icehockey fan, so he saved the two dynamo clubs, which from then on played against each other in the smallest league of the world. And even those matches were often manipulated, so that the Berlin team won the title....

ERC Ingolstadt is sponsored by Audi like everything in that city.


I think, the football team would fill their 15,000 ground in the Bundesliga, like they do in Paderborn. There are always enough "event fans" and travelling away fans.
Hoffenheim is in the backyard of Heidelberg, which has no football club. Most of their fans come from there. Paderborn is full of Borussia Dortmund fans, so at least there is a football interest in that town. And the regional big club Arminia Bielefeld has dropped to league 3, so there is some space to fill...
But Ingolstadt? It is half way between Nürnberg (and Fürth) and Munich (Bayern and 1860) and Augsburg is not far away. Can´t imagine a football fan in that area, who not already has a favourite club, so Ingolstadt fans will really be limited to the town itself.
For the Bundesliga a nightmare: Imagine Paderborn and Ingolstadt with their small grounds in the Bundesliga, while Dortmund, Stuttgart or Bremen go down.

 

[Alex - City Matters]

always having a laugh, when i see the two east german dynamo clubs in that list. In 1969 the GDR decided to give no money for icehockey anymore, as there were no chance of winning a medal at the olympics in that sport. But the chief of the secret service "Stasi" was an icehockey fan, so he saved the two dynamo clubs, which from then on played against each other in the smallest league of the world. And even those matches were often manipulated, so that the Berlin team won the title....

ERC Ingolstadt is sponsored by Audi like everything in that city.


I think, the football team would fill their 15,000 ground in the Bundesliga, like they do in Paderborn. There are always enough "event fans" and travelling away fans.
Hoffenheim is in the backyard of Heidelberg, which has no football club. Most of their fans come from there. Paderborn is full of Borussia Dortmund fans, so at least there is a football interest in that town. And the regional big club Arminia Bielefeld has dropped to league 3, so there is some space to fill...
But Ingolstadt? It is half way between Nürnberg (and Fürth) and Munich (Bayern and 1860) and Augsburg is not far away. Can´t imagine a football fan in that area, who not already has a favourite club, so Ingolstadt fans will really be limited to the town itself.
For the Bundesliga a nightmare: Imagine Paderborn and Ingolstadt with their small grounds in the Bundesliga, while Dortmund, Stuttgart or Bremen go down.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ingolstadt in the Bundesliga, as something new. But as you say,MIT wouldn't be good for attendance figures and the like.
TBH, I'm just a general fan of football in Bavaria. I don't mind Bayern, like this Augsburg team and for some reason I like Ingolstadt. It's probably the second best region for football in Germany, after the Ruhr. Just imagine how different it would have been if the Russians has gotten Bavaria instead of the Americans.

 

[bayern-flo2]

I didn't know there was a RB Munich ice hockey team. I've heard a lot about the Ingolstadt ice hockey team, is that the best sport around that region of Bavaria?

Red Bull wants to build a 10.000-arena for the ice hockey team. The arena will be in the Olympic park and replace the 'event arena' (the former Olympic cycle stadium south-west from the Olympic stadium). The FC Bayern Basketball team plans to use the arena too instead of their Audi Dome (former Rudi Sedlmayer Halle, I think it host Basketball games during Munich 1972).

Ice hockey in Munich is difficult... The team from Munich (no matter what name they had and they had many names) was and is hated by other traditional bavarian clubs.
There are also many fans of 1860 supporting this team, that's why I can't stand them.
They absolutely deserve their sponsor with the name and the colour :-)

Ice hockey and the DEL (Deutsche Eishockey Liga) is for me an example of the negative effect when profit is more important than tradition.
Back in the days I loved ice hockey and watched it regularly on tv or went to the stadium of my club. Then they introduced the DEL with all the silly clubnames, no relegations, licence-system and stuff.
The DEL-licence of my club went to Munich for the money after a few years. Munich won the championship and declined again (it's what they can do best). The licence is now in Hamburg.
I'm absolutely not interested in the DEL. I can't tell what licence-team is good or not. Or who is the champion at the moment. I really don't care.