Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[Ruhr]

[ Don't forget they got Hummels from us too ! .

come on, he played one match for Bayern

 

[supercrystal7]

Because of course English clubs never do that (Torres, van Persie, Nasri etc etc etc) ;-)

Oh and taking a player who is out of contract (Lewandowski) is not technically "pillaging" .

Bayern's pulling power in Germany is completely uncontested though. Not that other teams don't do it. Chelsea couldn't sign Aguero, nor could City sign Hazard. Spurs wouldn't even sell us Modric for 40m. Torres was signed when Liverpool fell into mid table for a few years and RVP was sick of winning nothing since 2005 (and ran down his contract). Arsenal weren't selling their best players when they were actually competing like Dortmund are.

It just seems a bit like killing the competition by taking their players which I think is a shame. But to be fair Lewandowski wants to join you just as badly as you want him. But I'm sure you'd be annoyed if the situation were reversed and Dortmund could buy say Ribery and Schweinsteiger to set you back a few years every time you get a good squad together.

We haven't taken many players from BVB over the years and one of the recent two is out of contract and leaving anyway next summer. Don't forget they got Hummels from us too ! I wouldn't say Dortmund have no pulling power, Bayern are currently being touted as the best team on the planet so it is unsurprising that we have little trouble attracting big names but BVB are strong and getting stronger.
In anycase it is not in Bayern's interests to ruin Dortmund, without any decent opposition in the BL we would lose focus.

Hummels was a kid when he left and not the player he was now. At the end of the day I think Castiel is right. Big players move around in Italy, but there is no lack of belief that they can establish themselves as one of the top clubs. In Germany especially Schalke and Dortmund don't seem to be able to convince their players of this. Look at Schalke: they got to the second round of the champions league last year, will probably make the second round this year, have a 60k stadium and some of the best youngsters in Europe. Instead of aiming to compete in the future, their players are already planning to leave. Compare Draxler with Bale. When you look at things they are/were both in similar situations. Bale left at 24, but everyone would be shocked if Draxler is at Schalke after his 22nd birthday. Holtby, though no where near the class of Draxler, is another example. Not only are the players leaving to early, they don't give their clubs the chance to grow. Gotze is another example. He is just 21.

 

[bayern blade]

Hummels was a kid when he left and not the player he was now. At the end of the day I think Castiel is right. Big players move around in Italy, but there is no lack of belief that they can establish themselves as one of the top clubs. In Germany especially Schalke and Dortmund don't seem to be able to convince their players of this. Look at Schalke: they got to the second round of the champions league last year, will probably make the second round this year, have a 60k stadium and some of the best youngsters in Europe. Instead of aiming to compete in the future, their players are already planning to leave. Compare Draxler with Bale. When you look at things they are/were both in similar situations. Bale left at 24, but everyone would be shocked if Draxler is at Schalke after his 22nd birthday. Holtby, though no where near the class of Draxler, is another example. Not only are the players leaving to early, they don't give their clubs the chance to grow. Gotze is another example. He is just 21.

Dortmund in fact have most of their players on long contracts, Lewandowski simply fancies a change, if it wasn't Bayern he would still leave. Dortmund are now a big club, they will have no trouble attracting replacements and imo are here to stay as a top side. Either way it is their job to do that and not our job to babysit them, if you don't want someone to leave you don't give them a get out clause (Götze), he hasn't got one at Bayern.
Schalke have looked very average in the BL, certainly not up there with Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen,
Draxler seems in no hurry to leave and Holtby is no great loss for S04 tbf, his father is English and he wanted to play in England.

 

[supercrystal7]

Hummels was a kid when he left and not the player he was now. At the end of the day I think Castiel is right. Big players move around in Italy, but there is no lack of belief that they can establish themselves as one of the top clubs. In Germany especially Schalke and Dortmund don't seem to be able to convince their players of this. Look at Schalke: they got to the second round of the champions league last year, will probably make the second round this year, have a 60k stadium and some of the best youngsters in Europe. Instead of aiming to compete in the future, their players are already planning to leave. Compare Draxler with Bale. When you look at things they are/were both in similar situations. Bale left at 24, but everyone would be shocked if Draxler is at Schalke after his 22nd birthday. Holtby, though no where near the class of Draxler, is another example. Not only are the players leaving to early, they don't give their clubs the chance to grow. Gotze is another example. He is just 21.

Dortmund in fact have most of their players on long contracts, Lewandowski simply fancies a change, if it wasn't Bayern he would still leave. Dortmund are now a big club, they will have no trouble attracting replacements and imo are here to stay as a top side. Either way it is their job to do that and not our job to babysit them, if you don't want someone to leave you don't give them a get out clause (Götze), he hasn't got one at Bayern.
Schalke have looked very average in the BL, certainly not up there with Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen,
Draxler seems in no hurry to leave and Holtby is no great loss for S04 tbf, his father is English and he wanted to play in England.

Doesn't Reus have a claus in his contract allowing him to leave for around 30 million pounds next year? Gundogan's contract is running down and then of course there is Kagawa, Sahin, Gotze and Lewandoski in the last three years. They have done well to tie up a few of their defenders, but it's hardly the mentality of players who believe they are at a top club. You can make individual excuses for each and everyone one of them Madrid too good to turn down, Gotze's dream was to play for Bayern, Kagawa wanted to play in England etc, but when put together it paints a different picture. You don't see Bayern players thinking this do you? In recent years the only top player you have lost is Ballack (in the sense you wanted to keep them). Whether Dortmund can attract big name players has yet to be seen.

Yeh Schalke are average in the league, but they have a better squad and more potential for growth than Leverkusen. Even with their poor form they should still make fourth this year and get in the CL again. If Schalke were to get fourth again this yeh they should have a platform to become a threat, but do you really think that will be the case.

I am not blaming Bayern or even criticising for this. It's the other teams that need to become more ambitious.

 

[Ruhr]

come on, in the last 20 years there wasn´t a single player that left Bayern to another Bundesliga club against the will of the Bayern management.

 

[supercrystal7]

come on, in the last 20 years there wasn´t a single player that left Bayern to another Bundesliga club against the will of the Bayern management.

In the last 10 years has a single player left Bayern to another club in Europe against the will of the Bayern management except maybe Ballack?

In fact take it a step further how many players have any top clubs lost against their will?

Madrid no one, Barca no one, United-Ronaldo, Chelsea-Robben, City-no one.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Bayern's pulling power in Germany is completely uncontested though. Not that other teams don't do it. Chelsea couldn't sign Aguero, nor could City sign Hazard. Spurs wouldn't even sell us Modric for 40m. Torres was signed when Liverpool fell into mid table for a few years and RVP was sick of winning nothing since 2005 (and ran down his contract). Arsenal weren't selling their best players when they were actually competing like Dortmund are.

It just seems a bit like killing the competition by taking their players which I think is a shame. But to be fair Lewandowski wants to join you just as badly as you want him. But I'm sure you'd be annoyed if the situation were reversed and Dortmund could buy say Ribery and Schweinsteiger to set you back a few years every time you get a good squad together.

We haven't taken many players from BVB over the years and one of the recent two is out of contract and leaving anyway next summer. Don't forget they got Hummels from us too ! I wouldn't say Dortmund have no pulling power, Bayern are currently being touted as the best team on the planet so it is unsurprising that we have little trouble attracting big names but BVB are strong and getting stronger.
In anycase it is not in Bayern's interests to ruin Dortmund, without any decent opposition in the BL we would lose focus.

Hummels was a kid when he left and not the player he was now. At the end of the day I think Castiel is right. Big players move around in Italy, but there is no lack of belief that they can establish themselves as one of the top clubs. In Germany especially Schalke and Dortmund don't seem to be able to convince their players of this. Look at Schalke: they got to the second round of the champions league last year, will probably make the second round this year, have a 60k stadium and some of the best youngsters in Europe. Instead of aiming to compete in the future, their players are already planning to leave. Compare Draxler with Bale. When you look at things they are/were both in similar situations. Bale left at 24, but everyone would be shocked if Draxler is at Schalke after his 22nd birthday. Holtby, though no where near the class of Draxler, is another example. Not only are the players leaving to early, they don't give their clubs the chance to grow. Gotze is another example. He is just 21.

yhp, star at Dortmund or sit on the bench at Bayern, tough call.

 

[Dzeko's Right Boot]

We haven't taken many players from BVB over the years and one of the recent two is out of contract and leaving anyway next summer. Don't forget they got Hummels from us too ! I wouldn't say Dortmund have no pulling power, Bayern are currently being touted as the best team on the planet so it is unsurprising that we have little trouble attracting big names but BVB are strong and getting stronger.
In anycase it is not in Bayern's interests to ruin Dortmund, without any decent opposition in the BL we would lose focus.

Hummels was a kid when he left and not the player he was now. At the end of the day I think Castiel is right. Big players move around in Italy, but there is no lack of belief that they can establish themselves as one of the top clubs. In Germany especially Schalke and Dortmund don't seem to be able to convince their players of this. Look at Schalke: they got to the second round of the champions league last year, will probably make the second round this year, have a 60k stadium and some of the best youngsters in Europe. Instead of aiming to compete in the future, their players are already planning to leave. Compare Draxler with Bale. When you look at things they are/were both in similar situations. Bale left at 24, but everyone would be shocked if Draxler is at Schalke after his 22nd birthday. Holtby, though no where near the class of Draxler, is another example. Not only are the players leaving to early, they don't give their clubs the chance to grow. Gotze is another example. He is just 21.

yhp, star at Dortmund or sit on the bench at Bayern, tough call.

When people use that argument against us, we say that it's to strengthen the squad. Why is it different for Bayern? I don't see why they're getting abuse for going after the players which suit them best, isn't that how you get better?

 

[Maldeika]

come on, in the last 20 years there wasn´t a single player that left Bayern to another Bundesliga club against the will of the Bayern management.

In the last 10 years has a single player left Bayern to another club in Europe against the will of the Bayern management except maybe Ballack?

In fact take it a step further how many players have any top clubs lost against their will?

Madrid no one, Barca no one, United-Ronaldo, Chelsea-Robben, City-no one.

Hargreaves.

But in the same year Makaay left to Rotterdam for 5 million, Pizza and Salihamidzic to Chelsea and Juve (without transfer fee). Bayern would have kept the later ones but did not want to offer them the contracts they wanted - or Chelsea and Juve offered them.

But at that time Bayern was not in that top category. Not financially and not in the sports category. They just build a new stadium and had a shit TV contract - and the marketing side was not as much discovered as today. I remember a speech of Hoeness from that time in which he thought they were miles away in Europe - and he did not see a chance to compete in Europe for a long while...

 

[ManCitizens.]

I really don't understand why Bayern fans can't accept what people are saying. This summer you've signed Barcelona's best youngster and Dortmund's best youngster. Last year both of those teams made the CL semi finals at least, one of them won La Liga. Dortmund have signed Sahin on loan and 2 players from Etienne and Shakhtar, there's a big difference.

Are you blind? I don't blame your club for trying too improve whilst weakening rivals, but don't deny it.