Bundesliga review

[ManCitizens.]

Point taken, but that doesn't answer my question. Why is it acceptable for Bayern to be commericially owned by 2 seperate entities purely to make money. Why is 1 individuals money wrong yet the money from Audi and Adidas is fine? Double standards.

No double standards - it is nothing else at the other Bundesliga clubs (apart from the clubs with other histories). 51 per cent of the shares and the controlling rights have to be in the hand of the club members.

It does not matter if it is an individual or another company - the 51 per cent are the stake.

And owned - they do not have to say anything - they just have a place in the controlling board - not in the club lead. It is an investment for Audi and Adidas - not much more (apart from showing their long lasting connection to the club, marketing or image reasons - the partnership between Adidas and Bayern lasts since 50 years...)

Bayern is owned 15-18% by 2 large corporations that could still comfortably make a profit even if Bayern went bust. They do not depend on Bayern and wouldn't give 2 shits if they dissapeared. I understand the hate with Hoffenheim etc, but selling a % to huge corporations who only want to make money should not be approved, if you truly support the fans philosophy that you hate Hoffenheim for. Not just when it suits your you and the rest of German footballs herd. If being owned by 1 man is wrong, so is accepting an external entities money. As i said, German football is full of hypocrites that choose who they love/hate.

 

[VOOMER]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances. Decent national team, or not its turgid at times and well on its way to a two horse league.

 

[BIG DONKEY]

^ utter nonsense

 

[Adam-mcfc]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances. Decent national team, or not its turgid at times and well on its way to a two horse league.

sorry but your post is bollocks, infact so bollocks that it shouldn't even be acknowledged

 

[alky313]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances. Decent national team, or not its turgid at times and well on its way to a two horse league.

Umm, What?

 

[Ruhr]

If being owned by 1 man is wrong, so is accepting an external entities money. As i said, German football is full of hypocrites that choose who they love/hate.

you are right. If it is just about a rich man spending his money, it would be hypocrisy. And i´m not sure, whether the young "against modern football" campaigners really know about the long history of rich individual sponsors in german football. There had been others before.

But it´s a different story. Imagine the Sheikh would not have spend his money at city, but said: my cousin played as a schoolboy for Gainsborough Trinity. I will make them a PL club with all my money. And the next year Red Bull steps up and says: We need a PL club to boost our energy drink sales worldwide. The club has to wear our colours, our logo and needs to be renamed. Might be difficult to do with Everton or Newcastle. so let´s take our money to Harrogate Town, call them Red Bull Harrogate and push them into the PL. And in the end there are 6 or 7 clubs of that kind in the PL.
Would english fans really appreciate a development like this?

 

[Ruhr]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances.

Payments and taxes of the 36 Bundesliga clubs overall in 2011

Turnover tax 355.6 Million Euro
Corporate tax 12.6 milllion euro
Trade tax 14.4 million euro
Other taxes 9.9 million euro
Wages tax 374.8 Milllion euro
Church tax/Solidarity tax 28.2 million euro
State health care, unemployment and pension system 64.4 million euro
State accident insurance 31.4 million euro

It is estimated, that the state has to pay 200 million euro each year for police, traffic security at matchdays, fan projects and investments in infrastructure (e.g, the grounds that are owned by the state like Berlin Olympic stadium)

Well, what the state has to do with Bundesliga attendances is beyond me.

 

[VOOMER]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances. Decent national team, or not its turgid at times and well on its way to a two horse league.

sorry but your post is bollocks, infact so bollocks that it shouldn't even be acknowledged

really, who's going to push bayern and dortmund over the next 5-7 years AND who exactly, world wide (aside from germany), watches a bundesliga game like for like (in terms of team positions)ahead of an EPL game?

 

[Maldeika]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances. Decent national team, or not its turgid at times and well on its way to a two horse league.

sorry but your post is bollocks, infact so bollocks that it shouldn't even be acknowledged

really, who's going to push bayern and dortmund over the next 5-7 years AND who exactly, world wide (aside from germany), watches a bundesliga game like for like (in terms of team positions)ahead of an EPL game?

Enough people do that. Bayern had more than thousand fans on the airports in China.

There is a lot of that youngsters coming up in the league who still will raise the quality. Have you seen the U21 match against Argentina on Friday. Not all of them will go to Dortmund or Bayern as they already are good equipped in that department (and they need to play and will not sit on the bench) and you do not know by now which really will flourish.

And there is not just Bayern and Dortmund. There is Schalke, too. Leverkusen probably will work better than last year. And certainly one or the other team we do not know about now. Maybe even Werder Bremen. In the Bundesliga it often changes. We are not the EPL... - there is always surprises. The teams everybody expected to go down last year all stayed up in the league.

All of the teams that work in three competitions have a disadvantage - in Germany the benches usually are not that good equipped and the differences in the league are not as big as in England. You usually do not win with half of the power.

 

[Bembeltown]

sorry but german football is bollocks, infact so bollocks that its propped up by dodgy tax breaks and goverment hand out help boost attendances. Decent national team, or not its turgid at times and well on its way to a two horse league.

sorry but your post is bollocks, infact so bollocks that it shouldn't even be acknowledged

really, who's going to push bayern and dortmund over the next 5-7 years AND who exactly, world wide (aside from germany), watches a bundesliga game like for like (in terms of team positions)ahead of an EPL game?

The Bundesliga definitely doesn´t have as many followers as the EPL, thats for sure, however the standard of football is definitely high especially with all the young guns coming through in the last years and in the future.

Bayern and Dortmund are for sure the favourites for the title, however the only real gap (money wise) is between Bayern and the rest. Did this mean Bayern wins the league year after year? Hell no...We had Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Dortmund challenge/win the title and Schalke, Leverkusen are always in for a fight as well. In addition to that there is usually always one "surprise" team competing at the top.

How that is a 2 horse race is beyond me, but I am curious to understand how thats any different in the EPL? City and United are for sure the only serious competitors for the title and maybe Chelski if they decide to go spending again, but other than that which team exactly can offer the depth that United and City have, so they can compensate for injuries etc?

But yeah...according to your logic english football is rubbish as well:

1. 2 horse race
2. national team is shit
3. shit atmosphere
4. shit attendances

See...its easy to come up with unreflected bollocks out of the blue...

Anyway, I personally rather pay my 20 bucks week in week out to see a high standard of football, have a beer (or 5) with my mates at the game while singing my heart out for the team instead of sitting in a library 90 Minutes, getting priced out of the Arenas to pay for all the foreign superstars and that all just for the sake of a "bigger following/better reputation in the world".

You still didnt elaborate on the "dodgy taxes" thingy and how the government helps to boost attendances (are you refering to the fact that you can use your ticket for public travel as well?).

Honestly curious what you are refering to.