Bundesliga review

[uweuweuwe]

Just been to Frankfurt downtown trying to find myself a City top, just to be greeted by tons of United shirts and stuff in the first shop I was in.

When I asked one of the salesman for a City shirt he looked at me like a fecking alien....

Tried to leave as fast as possible just to bump into some asian bloke with a Chelsea top at the next corner. :(

Not the best way to start the day.....

Your chances of spotting a city top will increase from next month as me and the family are moving to ingelheim but will probably be in Frankfurt quote a bit as it has the closest dim sum restaurants. Anyway sometimes think it's nice as you get the more knowledgeable football fan coming up and talking to you rather than the rag wannabes asking about Ryan gigs. You could always do what I do when I go to the inlaws in malaysia I kept going in the same shop asking if they had a city top until some day I walked past and in the window next to the rags, barca, Madrid etc was the worst faked city top you'd ever seen.

 

[Maldeika]

That is why you go into winter training camps...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0PQimAcegI[/youtube]

 

[Ruhr]

well, though Bundesliga has the highest attendances in Europe, not all german grounds are always sold out. And attendances in lower leagues are possibly lower than in England?

At half time of the season, these are all clubs with more than 10,000 average attendance

1. Borussia Dortmund 80,496 (99,82 % of capacity)
2. Bayern München 71,000 (100 %)
3. Schalke 04 61,039 (98,97 %)
4. Hamburger SV 52,606 (92,39 %)
5. VfB Stuttgart 49,087 (81,26 %)
6. Borussia M´gladbach 48,239 (89,42 %)
7. Eintracht Frankfurt 47,239 ( 91,73 %)
8. Fortuna Düsseldorf 45,034 ( 82,48 %)
9. Hannover 96 43,922 ( 89,64 % )
10. 1. FC Nürnberg 41, 656 (83,31 %)
11. Werder Bremen 40,321 (96 %)
12. 1. FC Köln 37,690 (75,43 %, Bundesliga 2)
13. Hertha BSC 33, 637 (45,31 %, Bundesliga 2)
14. Mainz 05 30,173 (88,75 %)
15. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 29,198 (58,65 %, Bundesliga 2)
16. FC Augsburg 29,047 (94,74 %)
17. Bayer Leverkusen 27,616 (91,41 &%)
18. VfL Wolfsburg 26,584 (88,61 %)
19. 1860 München 25,444 (35,84 %, Bundesliga 2)
20. 1899 Hoffenheim 24,864 (82,47 %)
21. Dynamo Dresden 23,197 (72,34 %, Bundesliga 2)
22. SC Freiburg 22,967 (95,22 %)
23. FC St. Pauli 20,667 (84,40 %, Bundesliga 2)
24. Eintracht Braunschweig 20,256 (91,65 %, Bundesliga 2)
25. Greuther Fürth 17,595 (97,75 %)
26. Union Berlin 16,141 (96,37 %, Bundesliga 2)
27. Alemannia Aachen 13,545 (41, 17 %, League 3)
28. VfL Bochum 11,774 (38, 29 %, Bundesliga 2)
29. MSV Duisburg 11,345 (36,00 %, Bundesliga 2)
30. Energie Cottbus 11,271 (50,03 %, Bundesliga 2)
31. VfL Osnabrück 10.960 (65,76 % League 3)
32. Karlsruher SC 10,374 (34, 93 % League 3)
33. SC Paderborn 10,251 (68,34 % Bundesliga 2)

Are there more than 33 in England?

 

[davymcfc]

well, though Bundesliga has the highest attendances in Europe, not all german grounds are always sold out. And attendances in lower leagues are possibly lower than in England?

At half time of the season, these are all clubs with more than 10,000 average attendance

1. Borussia Dortmund 80,496 (99,82 % of capacity)
2. Bayern München 71,000 (100 %)
3. Schalke 04 61,039 (98,97 %)
4. Hamburger SV 52,606 (92,39 %)
5. VfB Stuttgart 49,087 (81,26 %)
6. Borussia M´gladbach 48,239 (89,42 %)
7. Eintracht Frankfurt 47,239 ( 91,73 %)
8. Fortuna Düsseldorf 45,034 ( 82,48 %)
9. Hannover 96 43,922 ( 89,64 % )
10. 1. FC Nürnberg 41, 656 (83,31 %)
11. Werder Bremen 40,321 (96 %)
12. 1. FC Köln 37,690 (75,43 %, Bundesliga 2)
13. Hertha BSC 33, 637 (45,31 %, Bundesliga 2)
14. Mainz 05 30,173 (88,75 %)
15. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 29,198 (58,65 %, Bundesliga 2)
16. FC Augsburg 29,047 (94,74 %)
17. Bayer Leverkusen 27,616 (91,41 &%)
18. VfL Wolfsburg 26,584 (88,61 %)
19. 1860 München 25,444 (35,84 %, Bundesliga 2)
20. 1899 Hoffenheim 24,864 (82,47 %)
21. Dynamo Dresden 23,197 (72,34 %, Bundesliga 2)
22. SC Freiburg 22,967 (95,22 %)
23. FC St. Pauli 20,667 (84,40 %, Bundesliga 2)
24. Eintracht Braunschweig 20,256 (91,65 %, Bundesliga 2)
25. Greuther Fürth 17,595 (97,75 %)
26. Union Berlin 16,141 (96,37 %, Bundesliga 2)
27. Alemannia Aachen 13,545 (41, 17 %, League 3)
28. VfL Bochum 11,774 (38, 29 %, Bundesliga 2)
29. MSV Duisburg 11,345 (36,00 %, Bundesliga 2)
30. Energie Cottbus 11,271 (50,03 %, Bundesliga 2)
31. VfL Osnabrück 10.960 (65,76 % League 3)
32. Karlsruher SC 10,374 (34, 93 % League 3)
33. SC Paderborn 10,251 (68,34 % Bundesliga 2)

Are there more than 33 in England?

I would imagine there are probably more than 33 in England however there are 7 clubs who have better attendances than city which shows how well followed football is over there.

 

[Ruhr]

Sven Göran Eriksson will join the coaching team at 1860 München. A compromise in the ongoing quarrel between club managers and the jordanian investor, who wants Eriksson as a new headcoach.

 

[Bembeltown]

A couple of pages back we talked about an increase of fans with fascist background at Aachen and Dortmund and there is some interesting news:

Ultras Aachen has recently decided to boycott the games of Alemannia Aachen until the club does something against an organisation called "Karlsbande" which is fascist to the core.

In the eyes of Ultras Aachen the club doesnt take this issue serious enough and doesnt really care about the fact that they are hosting a right wing fan club in their place, so they want to make a statement by staying away from games until the issue has been addressed.

Werder Bremen has meanwhile banned several fascist Borussia Dortmund fans from attending BvB´s away game at Bremen on the next matchday.

 

[bayern blade]

A couple of pages back we talked about an increase of fans with fascist background at Aachen and Dortmund and there is some interesting news:

Ultras Aachen has recently decided to boycott the games of Alemannia Aachen until the club does something against an organisation called "Karlsbande" which is fascist to the core.

In the eyes of Ultras Aachen the club doesnt take this issue serious enough and doesnt really care about the fact that they are hosting a right wing fan club in their place, so they want to make a statement by staying away from games until the issue has been addressed.

Werder Bremen has meanwhile banned several fascist Borussia Dortmund fans from attending BvB´s away game at Bremen on the next matchday.

Maybe they should start banning communists too ?

 

[DD]

A couple of pages back we talked about an increase of fans with fascist background at Aachen and Dortmund and there is some interesting news:

Ultras Aachen has recently decided to boycott the games of Alemannia Aachen until the club does something against an organisation called "Karlsbande" which is fascist to the core.

In the eyes of Ultras Aachen the club doesnt take this issue serious enough and doesnt really care about the fact that they are hosting a right wing fan club in their place, so they want to make a statement by staying away from games until the issue has been addressed..

You haven't got the facts quite right, to be fair - or the Aachen Ultras haven't. The Karlsbande Ultras have been infiltrated by around about 20 right wing nutters, and it's difficult for the 99% of decent members to do a right lot about it.

The Aachen Ultras have their fair share of nutters too, but on the basis they are not right wing, they don't get highlighted the same.

This is a note from the S3 Neon, who were part of the Karlsbande long before the infiltration. It's in German so you might be able to make more sense of it than me, as Google Translate doesn't work so well on the piece.

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Liebe Fans der Alemannia,

liebe Fanclubs,

liebe Alemannia-Mitglieder

liebe Spieler der 1. Männerfußballmannschaft,

liebe Spielerinnen und Spieler der Vereinsabteilungen,

liebe Mitglieder der Vereinsgremien,

liebe Angestellte und Verantwortliche der Alemannia,

die Berichterstattung der letzten Tage - seit der Lossagung der Aachen Ultras von unserer Alemannia - und auch der Zeit davor hat uns allen sehr wehgetan. Das negative Bild unserer Alemannia in der Öffentlichkeit gefährdet direkt unser gemeinsames Ziel: den sportlichen, gesellschaftlichen und wirtschaftlichen Erfolg der Alemannia.

Es ist an der Zeit, ein Zeichen zu setzen: Wir sind keine Nazis, wir sind Alemannen! Damit möchten wir einerseits den oft falschen und verzerrenden Medienberichten entgegentreten, die die Alemannia als einen Hort von Rechtsextremismus und Intoleranz darstellen und die lokale und überregionale Presse zu besserer Recherche und mehr Objektivität aufrufen. Andererseits möchten wir gemeinsam noch einmal zeigen: Rassismus und Intoleranz haben bei der Alemannia keinen Platz - so, wie es der Fankodex und zahlreiche Einzelaktionen von Fanclubs schon deutlich gemacht haben.

Dazu wollen wir mit euch und Ihnen allen gemeinsam den Tag des Rettungsspiels gegen den FC Bayern München nutzen. Zwanzig Minuten nach dem Abpfiff treffen wir uns auf der Gegentribüne (Block O3/O4), um zusammen ein großes Foto zu machen. Auf diesem Foto werden wir uns alle mit Spruchbändern und unseren Fahnen und Schals positionieren: "Gewaltfrei. Demokratisch. Alemannia-fanatisch. Wir sind die 99%." lautet dabei das Motto.

Parallel zur Veröffentlichung dieses Fotos soll dann eine gemeinsame Erklärung herausgegeben werden, deren Entwurf im Anhang zu finden ist.

Wir sind der festen Überzeugung, dass nur auf diese Weise das katastrophale Bild in der Öffentlichkeit korrigiert werden kann und freuen uns auf eure/Ihre Reaktionen und Unterstützung!

Schwarz-Gelbe Grüße,

der Vorstand der Interessengemeinschaft der Alemannia Fans und Fanclubs

 

[Bembeltown]

ARGH! I sometimes hate this forum...just spent ages to write a reply to you DD and then when I hit Submit the forum decided to eat my post! *sob*

Anyway quick and short summary of the article:

Basically it says that ever since Aachen Ultras decided to boycott the games the German press is portraying Alemannia as a hoard of Nazis.

However there is supposed to be some sort of statement after the match against FCB where all proper Alemannia fans are asked to gather on one of the stands with their flags, banners and scarfs and show that 99% of the fans only care about Alemannia and are no Nazis.

Sorry if I didnt provide the correct facts in my initial post, but my understanding was that the majority of Karlsbande is right wing and that they even attacked the more left wing Aachen Ultras at a match.

Since I have no particular interest in the club I only got my information from the press as well, so thanks for providing the proper facts! :)

Just out of curiosity, I understood that you adopted Alemannia as your second team, but are you/have you actually been living in Germany or how did your relationship to Aachen develop?

Mainly interested to see how other folks pick their second teams as I picked City as mine due to Rösler joining you lot. Always interesting to hear the storys other people have to tell. :)

 

[bayern-flo2]

Sven Göran Eriksson will join the coaching team at 1860 München. A compromise in the ongoing quarrel between club managers and the jordanian investor, who wants Eriksson as a new headcoach.

Eriksson is not so horny to join 1860...