mcmanus
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Well done the police and CPS. Common sense.
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Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester [Merged]
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Why Always Ste
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Common Sense Prevails....
Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester
Spot on. You don't want to be a victim then don't break into someones elses house.
Pigeonho said:Good.
Cameron said yesterday a bill will be introduced where you can defend your property with 'reasonable force'. I suspect this won't count though, but in all honesty it should.
Tony Martin had the right idea.
Spot on. You don't want to be a victim then don't break into someones elses house.
beano46
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Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester
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Balti said:Pigeonho said:Good.
Cameron said yesterday a bill will be introduced where you can defend your property with 'reasonable force'. I suspect this won't count though, but in all honesty it should.
Tony Martin had the right idea.
Spot on. You don't want to be a victim then don't break into someones elses house.
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Freestyler
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Stevie B said:Common Sense Prevails....
Franny Lee's Barrel Chest
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It's good news for the householder of course BUT I think caution is needed.
Every case will be taken on its own merits and I can see someone in the not too distant future getting potted for killing or maiming a burglar.
Why? Well if you take the Tony Martin case, he was almost "expecting" burglars so was tooled up and hid somewhere knowing they were coming. He then shot one of them. Naturally he was convicted, to the dismay of many at the time, but once the truth came out, they were less impressed with him I think.
If a burglar offers deadly force and the householder is genuinely in fear of his life, then killing him is fine. I'm just worried that some people will see this as carte blanche to go over the top and to deliberately do serious damage to someone. I mean it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone could leave their home deliberately insecure and wait for a burglar then give them a good pasting. In that scenario there's no justification so they would quite rightly get charged.
Not that I condone burglary. As far as I'm concerned, any burglar loses the right to life as soon as they cross the line into someone's house uninvited. Sadly that's not quite how it works.
Every case will be taken on its own merits and I can see someone in the not too distant future getting potted for killing or maiming a burglar.
Why? Well if you take the Tony Martin case, he was almost "expecting" burglars so was tooled up and hid somewhere knowing they were coming. He then shot one of them. Naturally he was convicted, to the dismay of many at the time, but once the truth came out, they were less impressed with him I think.
If a burglar offers deadly force and the householder is genuinely in fear of his life, then killing him is fine. I'm just worried that some people will see this as carte blanche to go over the top and to deliberately do serious damage to someone. I mean it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone could leave their home deliberately insecure and wait for a burglar then give them a good pasting. In that scenario there's no justification so they would quite rightly get charged.
Not that I condone burglary. As far as I'm concerned, any burglar loses the right to life as soon as they cross the line into someone's house uninvited. Sadly that's not quite how it works.
tueartsboots
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Hadn't Tony Martin been targeted several times and the Police had done bugger all?Franny Lee's Barrel Chest said:It's good news for the householder of course BUT I think caution is needed.
Every case will be taken on its own merits and I can see someone in the not too distant future getting potted for killing or maiming a burglar.
Why? Well if you take the Tony Martin case, he was almost "expecting" burglars so was tooled up and hid somewhere knowing they were coming. He then shot one of them. Naturally he was convicted, to the dismay of many at the time, but once the truth came out, they were less impressed with him I think.
If a burglar offers deadly force and the householder is genuinely in fear of his life, then killing him is fine. I'm just worried that some people will see this as carte blanche to go over the top and to deliberately do serious damage to someone. I mean it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone could leave their home deliberately insecure and wait for a burglar then give them a good pasting. In that scenario there's no justification so they would quite rightly get charged.
Not that I condone burglary. As far as I'm concerned, any burglar loses the right to life as soon as they cross the line into someone's house uninvited. Sadly that's not quite how it works.
Franny Lee's Barrel Chest
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tueartsboots said:Hadn't Tony Martin been targeted several times and the Police had done bugger all?Franny Lee's Barrel Chest said:It's good news for the householder of course BUT I think caution is needed.
Every case will be taken on its own merits and I can see someone in the not too distant future getting potted for killing or maiming a burglar.
Why? Well if you take the Tony Martin case, he was almost "expecting" burglars so was tooled up and hid somewhere knowing they were coming. He then shot one of them. Naturally he was convicted, to the dismay of many at the time, but once the truth came out, they were less impressed with him I think.
If a burglar offers deadly force and the householder is genuinely in fear of his life, then killing him is fine. I'm just worried that some people will see this as carte blanche to go over the top and to deliberately do serious damage to someone. I mean it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone could leave their home deliberately insecure and wait for a burglar then give them a good pasting. In that scenario there's no justification so they would quite rightly get charged.
Not that I condone burglary. As far as I'm concerned, any burglar loses the right to life as soon as they cross the line into someone's house uninvited. Sadly that's not quite how it works.
I don't know the ins and outs so you're quite probably right. Whether that fact allowed him to sit in wait and shoot someone is the point in question though. There are those who will say that it did, and those that disagree.