By-elections tonight | Labour take both seats with huge swing from Tories

[Mr Kobayashi]

I think it would be good for the country, but we do need a modern centre right party

In the past there were values, both parties saw the need to fund public services,for example both Labour and tory governments sanctioned the mass construction of council housing it was taken for granted that's what governments did, until that fateful day in 1979, this country started to rip itself apart, there was some brief respite during the Labour years, but they did not get to grips with our infrastructure issues

You already have one....

The Labour party.

 

[Gray]

In the 21st Century, which years were the happiest and best in the U.K.?

Barring 2012 with the Olympics and Jubilee, I think most would suggest 2000-8.

For me mate the 13th May 2012 was the happiest I have ever been in my life.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

For me mate the 13th May 2012 was the happiest I have ever been in my life.

That isn’t really a year, but nice deflection!

 

[hilts]

Centrist is as centrist does...

What does a centrist think about the government giving a train operating contract to a firm owned by German national railways who then sell the company to a Cayman Islands company for £1.4bn?

Thank god Starmer will bring the railways and water back into public ownership.

 

[hilts]

It'll take more than 5 years for the public to forget how incompetent the tories are.

Or big bribes

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Thank god Starmer will bring the railways and water back into public ownership.

If he whacked that on his manifesto, he’d be less likely to be PM, so why would he?
If I were him, I’d leave it off and just do it when elected PM with a huge majority.
All he needs to do now is keep quiet and point at the Tories eating themselves.

 

[The perfect fumble]

You can always trust the Tories to come to the wrong conclusion...

From the BBC...

More Tory calls for government to 'lean into' Conservative voters' values​

John Hayes, who chairs the backbench Common Sense Group of Tory MPs, says while politicians shouldn't dismiss the results of elections, “it would be a huge mistake to extrapolate from these results”.

Hayes says the party should “fight the next election on our territory, not Labour’s” and focus on Conservative priorities - like immigration and public order.

Devizes MP Danny Kruger, who co-chairs the New Conservatives group of mainly "Red Wall" MPs, agrees, telling BBC Radio 4's World at One the Brexit referendum result showed "ordinary people... wanted their country back" - and the government had yet to deliver this.

He describes the results as a "wake-up call", saying the Tories can still win the next election if they get their vote out by standing up for voters' values - on migration, sex education in schools, gender issues and taxation.

Kruger says the PM has the "right instincts" - but needs to lean in, in a more coherent way, as he has already started to do on net zero.

 

[paulchapo]

It was a fix! Startling news how Labour cheated right here!

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Would be happier if the turnout was higher

Isn’t that what the Tory spokesperson said? I wonder if they’ll bother turning out for the GE?

 

[blue for life]

If he whacked that on his manifesto, he’d be less likely to be PM, so why would he?
If I were him, I’d leave it off and just do it when elected PM with a huge majority.
All he needs to do now is keep quiet and point at the Tories eating themselves.

Correct! Never interfere when your enemy is making a mistake!