Gareth Barry Conlon
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That's interesting. I said progressive just to make the point that it may not go as we think. It could of course be worse....
Imagine Mark Francois as the best they have.
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By-elections tonight | Labour take both seats with huge swing from Tories
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Imagine Mark Francois as the best they have.
hilts
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It’d be spun in the press to be socialism, which seems to frighten people for some reason.
I think views have finally changed in sufficient numbers but unfortunately we will never find out. Not in the first term for definite. Tis rather depressing that true change will only be possible after Starmer and he hasn't even got in yet.
A wasted opportunity.
Alan Harper's Tash
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I don’t disagree, but we need discourse to calm down and adults to make decisions based on knowledge, not on likes on Twitter.I think views have finally changed in sufficient numbers but unfortunately we will never find out. Not in the first term for definite. Tis rather depressing that true change will only be possible after Starmer and he hasn't even got in yet.
A wasted opportunity.
History shows labour have a better chance of winning when they are moderate. The best way to get the change you want would be to campaign moderately, get a huge majority and then enact real change.
Starmer won’t do that, but he’s far better than any viable alternative.
SkyBlueFlux
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Not really though.
These are the conservatvie MPs of 2019 sorted by the size of their majorities as a % of the electorate, which sould make them the most likely to survive. It's not a progressive group of people.
John Hayes
Matt Warman
Rebecca Harris
John Whittingdale
Giles Watling
Stephen Barclay
Gavin Williamson
Mark Francois
Victoria Atkins
Alex Burghart
Elizabeth Truss
Andrew Percy
Wendy Morton
Nigel Huddleston
Julian Lewis
Caroline Johnson
James Cleverly
Priti Patel
Bill Wiggin
Desmond Swayne
Caroline Dinenage
Gordon Henderson
Alan Mak
Christopher Chope
Thomas Tugendhat
Rishi Sunak
Danny Kruger
Philip Dunne
Luke Evans
Gareth Davies
John Baron
Martin Vickers
Alicia Kearns
Gareth Bacon
Suella Braverman
Chris Heaton-Harris
Matthew Hancock
Edward Leigh
Kit Malthouse
Kevin Hollinrake
Eleanor Laing
Huw Merriman
Stephen Metcalfe
Nick Gibb
Michael Fabricant
Kemi Badenoch
Helen Whately
Simon Hoare
Julia Lopez
Greg Knight
Flick Drummond
Amanda Milling
James Cartlidge
Tracey Crouch
James Wild
Christopher Pincher
Harriett Baldwin
Sajid Javid
Mike Wood
Charles Walker
I've highlighted the right wing nutters - I'm sure there's more of them those are just the ones I remembered. And yes, this is from 2019 data so some of them are no longer in office, but their seats are still just as tory.
That's the top 60. They're predicted to get about 150 seats. So all of those bolded names, the vanguard of the right wing looney brigade are all there, and will keep the party heading rightwards.
A startling correlation between how safe the seat is and how much of a complete tit the occupant is.
I’m unfortunate enough to live in one of the top 20 constituencies on this list so I’m not likely to see a change.
bluethrunthru
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hilts
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I don’t disagree, but we need discourse to calm down and adults to make decisions based on knowledge, not on likes on Twitter.
History shows labour have a better chance of winning when they are moderate. The best way to get the change you want would be to campaign moderately, get a huge majority and then enact real change.
Starmer won’t do that, but he’s far better than any viable alternative.
It's the problem with being the only viable alternative. Anyhow he will win and what will be will be. If the centrists just accepted some ain't gonna get giddy about it and stop with the letting the tories back in shite we can all have a break.
Having the worst tory govt in history was an opportunity that will go to waste imho. Probably won't get it again.
bluethrunthru
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Guess who just Fucked Off
Bodicoteblue
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At last - a barking right-wing nutter mentions brexit.You can always trust the Tories to come to the wrong conclusion...
From the BBC...
More Tory calls for government to 'lean into' Conservative voters' values
John Hayes, who chairs the backbench Common Sense Group of Tory MPs, says while politicians shouldn't dismiss the results of elections, “it would be a huge mistake to extrapolate from these results”.
Hayes says the party should “fight the next election on our territory, not Labour’s” and focus on Conservative priorities - like immigration and public order.
Devizes MP Danny Kruger, who co-chairs the New Conservatives group of mainly "Red Wall" MPs, agrees, telling BBC Radio 4's World at One the Brexit referendum result showed "ordinary people... wanted their country back" - and the government had yet to deliver this.
He describes the results as a "wake-up call", saying the Tories can still win the next election if they get their vote out by standing up for voters' values - on migration, sex education in schools, gender issues and taxation.
Kruger says the PM has the "right instincts" - but needs to lean in, in a more coherent way, as he has already started to do on net zero.
Odd when you think about it - none of them can bring themselves to mention brexit and how wonderful it is and how many benefits and opportunities it’s brought us when you see how they swept to power with a huge majority on the back of it a mere 4 1/2 years ago.
It‘s almost as if they’re embarrassed by the huge lie it has turned out to be and no longer want to be associated with it while the rest of us pick up the bill.
Almost.
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Every public poll shows the majoriry of the country are in favour of nationalisation of water, energy and railIf he whacked that on his manifesto, he’d be less likely to be PM, so why would he?
If I were him, I’d leave it off and just do it when elected PM with a huge majority.
All he needs to do now is keep quiet and point at the Tories eating themselves.
It isn't a vote loser.
the spin on how to fund it by the right wing press is what frightens starmer and his fiscal frigid mentality.
renationalisation is a popular idea
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bluethrunthru
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yep - statistical - thats counting for ya