Cameron The Liar - lets his mask slip again

Skashion said:
BimboBob said:
Can we have a chart for the following as well please.

Number of food banks over the years.
Number of people aware that there are such things as "food banks" year on year as well.




Where in that report does it say Cameron called the police? As Al Murray would say...not news.
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Why don't you plot it your fucking self. You're asking a purposely difficult thing of me without lifting a finger in support of your own limited argument. What will be easy to find though, will be graphs of inflation running higher than wage level rises, declining disposable income, increased references to the costs of living crisis etc. So, what is your argument exactly. That people aren't really struggling to make ends meet? That it isn't a political concern?

I didn't say Cameron, I said his constituency office. Why do the tories get to ignore this issue, get away with it and abuse police time stifling democracy?
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My argument is that a graph can prove anything. What if there were only 30 food banks 5 years ago and very few people had heard of them?

Suddenly they are in the news and whoooosh...thousands pop in, hundreds more open up and the graph looks brilliant.

And yes, I know the cost of living has gone up the same as I know that more and more people are finding it difficult to make ends meet. What do you expect? We were and still are a skint country. In debt. Due to politicians from all sides. And banks. It's not just one side that has fucked us over royally but all of them. Did Brown come down hard on the banks? Did he fuck as he quickly realised what side of the bread was buttered. Cameron and Clegg are of the same ilk. They all are.

This is not a Labour did this or Conservatives did that thing anymore. They all fucked it up and show little signs of wanting to right the wrongs.
 
BimboBob said:
Skashion said:
BimboBob said:
Can we have a chart for the following as well please.

Number of food banks over the years.
Number of people aware that there are such things as "food banks" year on year as well.




Where in that report does it say Cameron called the police? As Al Murray would say...not news.
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Why don't you plot it your fucking self. You're asking a purposely difficult thing of me without lifting a finger in support of your own limited argument. What will be easy to find though, will be graphs of inflation running higher than wage level rises, declining disposable income, increased references to the costs of living crisis etc. So, what is your argument exactly. That people aren't really struggling to make ends meet? That it isn't a political concern?

I didn't say Cameron, I said his constituency office. Why do the tories get to ignore this issue, get away with it and abuse police time stifling democracy?
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My argument is that a graph can prove anything. What if there were only 30 food banks 5 years ago and very few people had heard of them?

Suddenly they are in the news and whoooosh...thousands pop in, hundreds more open up and the graph looks brilliant.

And yes, I know the cost of living has gone up the same as I know that more and more people are finding it difficult to make ends meet. What do you expect? We were and still are a skint country. In debt. Due to politicians from all sides. And banks. It's not just one side that has fucked us over royally but all of them. Did Brown come down hard on the banks? Did he fuck as he quickly realised what side of the bread was buttered. Cameron and Clegg are of the same ilk. They all are.

This is not a Labour did this or Conservatives did that thing anymore. They all fucked it up and show little signs of wanting to right the wrongs.
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You make food banks sound like some trend, a new fad that has just gained popularity and expanded. As if it's the cool thing to do or something. You don't just 'pop in' and they give you free stuff you know?

People go to them out of desperation, not choice. If the numbers using them are growing it's because more people are getting desperate.
 
Did everyone catch the Mail on Sunday article on food banks this weekend?

Apparently the paper were incredulous that nobody attending a food bank had 'PAPIEREN! SCHNELL!' screamed in their faces, was made to wear a wrist tattoo or do a little dance for a box of tinned food:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/20/food-bank-twitter-reaction_n_5181825.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04 ... ostpopular</a>
 
PistonBlue said:
BimboBob said:
Skashion said:
Why don't you plot it your fucking self. You're asking a purposely difficult thing of me without lifting a finger in support of your own limited argument. What will be easy to find though, will be graphs of inflation running higher than wage level rises, declining disposable income, increased references to the costs of living crisis etc. So, what is your argument exactly. That people aren't really struggling to make ends meet? That it isn't a political concern?

I didn't say Cameron, I said his constituency office. Why do the tories get to ignore this issue, get away with it and abuse police time stifling democracy?
Click to expand...

My argument is that a graph can prove anything. What if there were only 30 food banks 5 years ago and very few people had heard of them?

Suddenly they are in the news and whoooosh...thousands pop in, hundreds more open up and the graph looks brilliant.

And yes, I know the cost of living has gone up the same as I know that more and more people are finding it difficult to make ends meet. What do you expect? We were and still are a skint country. In debt. Due to politicians from all sides. And banks. It's not just one side that has fucked us over royally but all of them. Did Brown come down hard on the banks? Did he fuck as he quickly realised what side of the bread was buttered. Cameron and Clegg are of the same ilk. They all are.

This is not a Labour did this or Conservatives did that thing anymore. They all fucked it up and show little signs of wanting to right the wrongs.
Click to expand...

You make food banks sound like some trend, a new fad that has just gained popularity and expanded. As if it's the cool thing to do or something. You don't just 'pop in' and they give you free stuff you know?

People go to them out of desperation, not choice. If the numbers using them are growing it's because more people are getting desperate.
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The article says the increase is due to people having their dole stopped.

They've had their dole stopped because they aren't meeting very basic requirements about signing on - like looking for work and actually turning up on the day to sign on being the main requirements.

I don't know who is behind the food banks and who funds it all or whether it is or isn't politically motivated. However, giving them the benefit of the doubt and let's say they are independent and not politically motivated then they are being abused by lazy f*ckers.
 
A lot of food banks, in fact the majority of them are motivated by *WOW, GET THIS FOLKS*:

BASIC HUMAN KINDNESS AND COMPASSION
 
BimboBob said:
My argument is that a graph can prove anything. What if there were only 30 food banks 5 years ago and very few people had heard of them?

Suddenly they are in the news and whoooosh...thousands pop in, hundreds more open up and the graph looks brilliant.

And yes, I know the cost of living has gone up the same as I know that more and more people are finding it difficult to make ends meet. What do you expect? We were and still are a skint country. In debt. Due to politicians from all sides. And banks. It's not just one side that has fucked us over royally but all of them. Did Brown come down hard on the banks? Did he fuck as he quickly realised what side of the bread was buttered. Cameron and Clegg are of the same ilk. They all are.

This is not a Labour did this or Conservatives did that thing anymore. They all fucked it up and show little signs of wanting to right the wrongs.
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You are just deflecting the issue now. It's well-trodden ground and it should be well-established, not least by you considering the amount of time I've spent debating with you, that I'm not a party-political animal, and I hold New Labour accountable for their betrayal of the working class and their love of unregulated Anglo-Saxon capitalism. At the very least, I'm of the Nordic Social Democrat persuasion and those countries are doing very well because they weren't so enamoured by capitalism so as not to realise and react to its dangers nor so scared of socialism to reject policies which protect people from capitalism's worst excesses. However, this is not what is actually being discussed nor is it actually addressing the points I raised. In fact, it's doing the exact opposite because my post was directed towards the party-political who defend the tories even for very blatant and indefensible wrongs.

Firstly, there is the matter of the tories refusing to acknowledge this and waste police time stifling democratic processes. Secondly, as mentioned above, my post was reacting to the lack of concern and usual distraction tactics from people who simply don't like criticism of the tories. When did de niro or Ronnie the Rep attempt a defence of a constituency office calling the police to turf away democratic expressions of concerns over a political issue? The answer is they didn't, because there isn't a defence possible. People should be allowed to send an open letter to the Prime Minister's constitency office expressing concerns over a political issue without police interfering. Sadly, some people treat politics like supporting a football team where their political team gets support no matter what. Well, fuck that. I don't support diving. I don't support pretending to be injured to get players sent off and I don't support the Prime Minister's consistency office stifling democratic protests because they were uncomfortable about a real issue that's hurting people badly. Do you think that his constituency office would have reacted to a letter supporting Cameron on gay marriage with the same response? Yeah right, in the words of Eric Cartman:

I'm just like an aborted foetus, I wasn't born yesterday either.
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