Cameron The Liar - lets his mask slip again

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just looked it up and previous MP's for Witney were Shaun Woodward (before he defected to Labour) and Douglas Hurd.

 

[PistonBlue]

My argument is that a graph can prove anything. What if there were only 30 food banks 5 years ago and very few people had heard of them?

Suddenly they are in the news and whoooosh...thousands pop in, hundreds more open up and the graph looks brilliant.

And yes, I know the cost of living has gone up the same as I know that more and more people are finding it difficult to make ends meet. What do you expect? We were and still are a skint country. In debt. Due to politicians from all sides. And banks. It's not just one side that has fucked us over royally but all of them. Did Brown come down hard on the banks? Did he fuck as he quickly realised what side of the bread was buttered. Cameron and Clegg are of the same ilk. They all are.

This is not a Labour did this or Conservatives did that thing anymore. They all fucked it up and show little signs of wanting to right the wrongs.

You make food banks sound like some trend, a new fad that has just gained popularity and expanded. As if it's the cool thing to do or something. You don't just 'pop in' and they give you free stuff you know?

People go to them out of desperation, not choice. If the numbers using them are growing it's because more people are getting desperate.

The article says the increase is due to people having their dole stopped.

They've had their dole stopped because they aren't meeting very basic requirements about signing on - like looking for work and actually turning up on the day to sign on being the main requirements.

I don't know who is behind the food banks and who funds it all or whether it is or isn't politically motivated. However, giving them the benefit of the doubt and let's say they are independent and not politically motivated then they are being abused by lazy f*ckers.

Food banks are a charity, not a point scoring political mechanism.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Is everyone blaming everything on the banks again?

Think it's the food banks there blaming Gordy.

 

[RandomJ]

got to give it Dave, he's tidying this shit tip of a country up.

And by that you mean trying to kill off the poor. You'd think a statement like that would be over the top but every single one of his policies is seeking to make survival for those less well off impossible. Attacking benefits, attacking food banks, rewarding tax dodging companies instead of those who really need the help. The man is a complete and utter heartless **** flap.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Is everyone blaming everything on the banks again?

Think it's the food banks there blaming Gordy.

Thanks for explaining that to me.

 

[East Level 2]

A politician discovered to be lying? Whatever next?

I'm shocked. I thought they weren't allowed into the Palace of Westminster unless they were seen to be honest, upstanding, leaking integrity, self-less, competent and exhibited a brotherly and sisterly love that reminded us of St. Francis.

Which St. Francis? Assisi or Westhoughton?

 

[Mike D]

It beggers belief that some people can actually defend Cameron on. I've posted on the Independent website and some of the responses you get verge on to be just plain ridiculous.

When you have a couple of clergymen, vicars, men of the cloth coming over to remind you peacefully of your moral duty to the people that you are supposed to be serving. To then meet them mob handed with the old bill to shut them up is just plain wrong. Anybody with any self moral decency would have took it on the chin quietly and then tried to act and do something about it.

How can you on the on the one hand criticise Putin and Al Bassad for crimes against human whilst at the same time be issuing punitive sanctions to deny people their safety net pushing them towards food banks and loan sharks just to survive. I often I ask myself the same questions are these tories just plain stupid and or are they just plain evil?

Fundamently there is nothing wrong with trying to make work pay or getting people into the right size of house or stopping people taking the piss on benefits of that no one will disagree. But the execution of there policies is just plain evil and one which has created more problems than its solved. Sadly I am tending to believe that theses actions are deliberate but its heartening to read when the tories old favorite hatched job rag backfires spectaculary when its tries a hatchet job on food banks http://www.itv.com/news/2014-04-21/...-surge-in-donations-after-daily-mail-article/

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

My argument is that a graph can prove anything. What if there were only 30 food banks 5 years ago and very few people had heard of them?

Suddenly they are in the news and whoooosh...thousands pop in, hundreds more open up and the graph looks brilliant.

And yes, I know the cost of living has gone up the same as I know that more and more people are finding it difficult to make ends meet. What do you expect? We were and still are a skint country. In debt. Due to politicians from all sides. And banks. It's not just one side that has fucked us over royally but all of them. Did Brown come down hard on the banks? Did he fuck as he quickly realised what side of the bread was buttered. Cameron and Clegg are of the same ilk. They all are.

This is not a Labour did this or Conservatives did that thing anymore. They all fucked it up and show little signs of wanting to right the wrongs.

You are just deflecting the issue now. It's well-trodden ground and it should be well-established, not least by you considering the amount of time I've spent debating with you, that I'm not a party-political animal, and I hold New Labour accountable for their betrayal of the working class and their love of unregulated Anglo-Saxon capitalism. At the very least, I'm of the Nordic Social Democrat persuasion and those countries are doing very well because they weren't so enamoured by capitalism so as not to realise and react to its dangers nor so scared of socialism to reject policies which protect people from capitalism's worst excesses. However, this is not what is actually being discussed nor is it actually addressing the points I raised. In fact, it's doing the exact opposite because my post was directed towards the party-political who defend the tories even for very blatant and indefensible wrongs.

Firstly, there is the matter of the tories refusing to acknowledge this and waste police time stifling democratic processes. Secondly, as mentioned above, my post was reacting to the lack of concern and usual distraction tactics from people who simply don't like criticism of the tories. When did de niro or Ronnie the Rep attempt a defence of a constituency office calling the police to turf away democratic expressions of concerns over a political issue? The answer is they didn't, because there isn't a defence possible. People should be allowed to send an open letter to the Prime Minister's constitency office expressing concerns over a political issue without police interfering. Sadly, some people treat politics like supporting a football team where their political team gets support no matter what. Well, fuck that. I don't support diving. I don't support pretending to be injured to get players sent off and I don't support the Prime Minister's consistency office stifling democratic protests because they were uncomfortable about a real issue that's hurting people badly. Do you think that his constituency office would have reacted to a letter supporting Cameron on gay marriage with the same response? Yeah right, in the words of Eric Cartman:

I don't agree with much you say normally but just to put two pennies worth in (as you quoted me) my only contribution to the thread was to point out the usual wagon jumpers had arrived and that the media reporting of these types of incident stifled proper debate as they have such a huge influence on opinion in this country. Although I am a Tory by nature, I do agree with you about calling the police, it was a stupid and unnecessary thing to do and an abuse of over stretched resources. I don't know enough about food banks to make a pertinent comment as to whether they are being abused or not

 

[Aphex]

The closer it gets to the election, expect more of the same. It's gonna get dirty. I'm pretty sure politics being fought in the trough is a reflection of society's draw to trash media. Blame yourselfs.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

The closer it gets to the election, expect more of the same. It's gonna get dirty. I'm pretty sure politics being fought in the trough is a reflection of society's draw to trash media. Blame yourselfs.

My point exactly mate, too many people on all sides believe and repeat whatever spin the media outlet of their choice chooses to put on an event.

How are you BTW, long time no talk?