Cameron vetoes EU Treaty change

[SWP's back]

As someone who sits in the middle politically I don't share the same visceral hatred for the Tories as many posters on here.

That said, watching their worst Little England characteristics come out in times such as these reminds me why I've always stopped short of voting for them. I actually find their sneering and small minded antipathy to all things European to be barbaric and deeply unpleasant.

The EU is far from perfect, but it has brought peace to a large part of a continent which spent the previous 1000 years in a virtually perpetual cycle of war. It has also overseen a bewildering increase in living standards in its member states, some of which were virtually third world countries when it was formed in the 1950's.

What many people fail to relaise that in order to have a free market, common rules and laws relating to goods, products, services and the labour force are essential. You can't have one without the other - at least not in any functioning sense.

People talk about the surrender of our powers as if it's still the 1930's. There is a tidal wave of change coming to the western world and the best way we can try and minimise the damage it will inflict on us is to stick together not fracture apart.

We are not some isolated Kingdom like 19th Century Japan, we are European, as much as the Spanish or the French, the lineage of our Royal Family is one of many examples that supports this assertion.

Anyone who thinks that isolating ourselves from the rest of Europe will have no bearing on our trade has a very poor grasp of history, and more importantly human nature.

It's a big world out there and we're not the swinging dicks of the playground like we were fifty years ago and I, for one, don't fancy our chances out there if we're walking through that jungle on our own.

Good post.

I don't know how Dave's played this one but as corporate power increases so must political power. I hope he hasn't put the little Englanders/the City before the long term interests of Europeans.

Surely our own interests should come first?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

As someone who sits in the middle politically I don't share the same visceral hatred for the Tories as many posters on here.

That said, watching their worst Little England characteristics come out in times such as these reminds me why I've always stopped short of voting for them. I actually find their sneering and small minded antipathy to all things European to be barbaric and deeply unpleasant.

The EU is far from perfect, but it has brought peace to a large part of a continent which spent the previous 1000 years in a virtually perpetual cycle of war. It has also overseen a bewildering increase in living standards in its member states, some of which were virtually third world countries when it was formed in the 1950's.

What many people fail to relaise that in order to have a free market, common rules and laws relating to goods, products, services and the labour force are essential. You can't have one without the other - at least not in any functioning sense.

People talk about the surrender of our powers as if it's still the 1930's. There is a tidal wave of change coming to the western world and the best way we can try and minimise the damage it will inflict on us is to stick together not fracture apart.

We are not some isolated Kingdom like 19th Century Japan, we are European, as much as the Spanish or the French, the lineage of our Royal Family is one of many examples that supports this assertion.

Anyone who thinks that isolating ourselves from the rest of Europe will have no bearing on our trade has a very poor grasp of history, and more importantly human nature.

It's a big world out there and we're not the swinging dicks of the playground like we were fifty years ago and I, for one, don't fancy our chances out there if we're walking through that jungle on our own.

Good post.

I don't know how Dave's played this one but as corporate power increases so must political power. I hope he hasn't put the little Englanders/the City before the long term interests of Europeans.

Surely our own interests should come first?

This is what i don't get i would prefer my government to take our interests over the rest of Europe a place that's never really wanted us as part of it but likes are money going in to help it

 

[PJMCC1UK]

I don't know how Dave's played this one but as corporate power increases so must political power. I hope he hasn't put the little Englanders/the City before the long term interests of Europeans.

Why do we always get this Little Englanders bollox when we reject Europes dictation. Surely it's the little Froggy's and Little SaurKrauts too. They don't care for British interests and would rather we handed them our powers.

We need to look after our own interests. The Euro went the way I expected, it failed. There were already rules imposed like the ones in this treaty but when the going was good the French and Germans broke them. Why should we believe that they will adhere to these.

And why should we take financial orders from a group that can't get it's own accounts signed off?

 

[twinkletoes]

Britain's stance will leave us on the outside looking in and create problems for the only real wealth creators in the country, export manufacturing.

Correct. We are playing a very dangerous game here.

Untrue. (and twinkle is as left as they come so it's no surprise he is upset)

How is it untrue?

 

[SWP's back]

Correct. We are playing a very dangerous game here.

Untrue. (and twinkle is as left as they come so it's no surprise he is upset)

How is it untrue?

Read further down where I ask questions.

 

[twinkletoes]

Untrue. (and twinkle is as left as they come so it's no surprise he is upset)

How is it untrue?

Read further down where I ask questions.

That's told me then, Attila.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

LOL at the befuddled eurosceptics who think that Cameron gives a fuck about UK citizens. His actions today were solely to protect the City of London and the banks that infest it.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

LOL at the befuddled eurosceptics who think that Cameron gives a fuck about UK citizens. His actions today were solely to protect the City of London and the banks that infest it.

Very much so why should tax we are rightly due be given to a Europe that dislikes us, it makes no sense

 

[SWP's back]

How is it untrue?

Read further down where I ask questions.

That's told me then, Attila.

So you don't fancy asking them?

I should say I'm not shocked.

It's funny how party lines are coming out with the extreme left, I bet you'd have all said the same stuff if Milliband had gotten into power (god forbid) and made this decision.<br /><br />-- Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:27 pm --<br /><br />

LOL at the befuddled eurosceptics who think that Cameron gives a fuck about UK citizens. His actions today were solely to protect the City of London and the banks that infest it.

What's wrong with the City?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

LOL at the befuddled eurosceptics who think that Cameron gives a fuck about UK citizens. His actions today were solely to protect the City of London and the banks that infest it.

That would be the same City of London that funds your Health, Education and Social services. Yeah right fuck em!