Capitalism .......A force for good or A force for bad.

I liken capitalism to a river.

It is a fine, beautiful and useful thing as long as it keeps within its banks. (No pun intended.)

When it floods over the surrounding land it becomes a pestilential nuisance.

The job of Government is flood defence - but recent Governments have encouraged flooding, which has caused great losses to the vast majority of us.
We need a conversation about growth, that's key. Currently we're risking burning down our livelihoods and the world in the name of risk-taking for the sake of growth and the irony is that we're getting less and less back for it.

The country has grown by 100% since the Blair years in 2000 but are our lives 100% better and richer? Are they balls.

We've never lived in a more difficult time economically or politically and for the first time in 80 years our own personal safety could be the next thing to go down the pan.
 
We need a conversation about growth, that's key. Currently we're risking burning down our livelihoods and the world in the name of risk-taking for the sake of growth and the irony is that we're getting less and less back for it.

The country has grown by 100% since the Blair years in 2000 but are our lives 100% better and richer? Are they balls.

We've never lived in a more difficult time economically or politically and for the first time in 80 years our own personal safety could be the next thing to go down the pan.
Got to agree, growth seems to be so a few can make a fortune at the expense of everyone else, do you really need that latest phone or tv etc, friend of the wife bought her 12 year old £300 trainers I mean seriously wtf! My daughter will be getting fuck all like that, sorry I’m not tight, I’m careful and that is just pandering to tik tok and influencers! When people are struggling to buy food, insurance and just general living then it’s got to stop, I do fear a huge crash soon and I think with what’s going on in the world with wars and elections this year could be a turning point one way or the other.
 
Our economic activities extract resources from this finite Earth, and, to the extent that the waste is being absorbed by the Earth, cannot grow forever. This is because the Earth's sources and sinks are also finite. If the economy expands, at some point it is inevitable that we will encounter the Earth's limits

According to Marxist theory, a coercion for firms to "grow or die" is due to economic competition. According to Marx, capitalism "cannot stand still, but must always be either expanding or contracting".

Increasing GDP is a sign of economic strength, and declining GDP indicates economic weakness. GDP can offer false information when it results from economic destruction—such as a car accident or natural disaster—rather than truly productive activity


Who is happier rich or poor?


In general, surveys say yes; people with higher incomes report that they are happier than poorer people do. New research from Yale SOM's Gal Zauberman and former postdoc Bouke Klein Teeselink looks under the averages and finds there's also greater happiness inequality among those with lower incomes

The extent to which growth reduces poverty depends on the degree to which the poor participate in the growth process and share in its proceeds. Thus, both the pace and pattern of growth matter for reducing poverty.
The headline result is clear: the richer the country, on average, the higher the level of self-reported happiness. The simple correlation suggests that doubling GDP per person lifts life satisfaction by about 0.7 points
The headline result is clear: the richer the country, on average, the higher the level of self-reported happiness. The simple correlation suggests that doubling GDP per person lifts life satisfaction by about 0.7 points
All growth is development but not vice-versa. Development & growth is a product of the interaction of hereditary and environment. They play a vital role in determining an individual's development and growth.
Whatever the ethical merits of the case, the proposition of no growth has absolutely no chance to succeed. For all the many hundreds of years humanity survived without growth, modern civilization could not. The trade-offs that are the daily stuff of market-based economies simply could not work in a zero-sum world, The reason economists are so obsessed with growth is not because we care about the environment or equity but richer countries have higher life expectancy, more leisure time, more female employment, lower infant mortality, and higher quality of life by pretty much every metric, The dominant model of economic development has in fact become anti-life. When economies are measured only in terms of money flow, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And the rich might be rich in monetary terms - but they too are poor in the wider context of what being human means.


All the above are copied and pasted from Google, hence the dark type in some sentences.




How have we allowed such an insidious system to rule us, we are still serfs to the Barons, only we have supermarkets now.
 
That, plus human greed and ambition.
Ambition does not have to mean financial gain, it can be job satisfaction, greed is another thing, the most greedy are those who already have the most.

Does it matter to you if a job pays £50 or £55 if you think the job you are doing is just and fair. To the greedy they would want £500 for the job to sate their ideals of status.

Example, I am ambitious, i have just achieved something that was beyond my wildest dreams and i get no financial reward for it, but I will go to my grave knowing i did something right
 
Ambition does not have to mean financial gain, it can be job satisfaction, greed is another thing, the most greedy are those who already have the most.

Does it matter to you if a job pays £50 or £55 if you think the job you are doing is just and fair. To the greedy they would want £500 for the job to sate their ideals of status.

Example, I am ambitious, i have just achieved something that was beyond my wildest dreams and i get no financial reward for it, but I will go to my grave knowing i did something right
Poor choice of word by me. Avarice would have been better.
 
Goodish.
The best system so far tried.
Only works if wealth is spread amongst a moderately large middle class to gain buy in from much larger chunk of the population and deliver class mobility.
Sadly, since we exported our manufacturing capability in the 90s we've reduced the middle class and fucked the whole system.
As such, sadly, UK PLC is totally fucked.
 
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Got to agree, growth seems to be so a few can make a fortune at the expense of everyone else, do you really need that latest phone or tv etc, friend of the wife bought her 12 year old £300 trainers I mean seriously wtf! My daughter will be getting fuck all like that, sorry I’m not tight, I’m careful and that is just pandering to tik tok and influencers! When people are struggling to buy food, insurance and just general living then it’s got to stop, I do fear a huge crash soon and I think with what’s going on in the world with wars and elections this year could be a turning point one way or the other.
Fucking hell, I saw a vending machine the other day selling Mr Beast chocolate bars. 55 ringgit, which is basically 10 quid for something slightly heavier than a individual-sized Dairy Milk. And you just know it'll be absolute shit.
 
We need a conversation about growth, that's key. Currently we're risking burning down our livelihoods and the world in the name of risk-taking for the sake of growth and the irony is that we're getting less and less back for it.
Yeah, there's this big narrative around Japan and how they've basically seen no growth for three decades. And yet when you look at the country, everything still seems to work, there's still a high standard of living, their education, healthcare, etc are still world class, and they still seem to have lots of the world's most successful companies. Sure, they have challenges like everywhere else, but if you listened to the growth-obsessed types, you'd have thought the whole country would have fallen into ruin by now.
 

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