Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

BillyShears said:
bobmcfc said:
Cobwebcat said:
Preseason is meant to show our problems. It did. We repeated them again.

Either change the system or the centre backs ... we did neither, again.

By the time we have learnt this high risk system or signed a CB that is fast enough to play it, we will be so far behind it won't matter.

Really disappointed in Pelle because if even I can see it, and I'm no tactical genius I can tell you, what's he looking at?

Very very surprised we aren't going after a top defender. Vinny is excellent but he has been picking up a few injuries and suspensions over the last 12 months. In many ways injuries cost us the league last year. I'm especially surprised that with our two best CBs out they have just been content to make do with Garcia and lescott when we all knew their shortcomings

Can either of you two explain how the system was at fault for Zaba's individual errors from corners ?

People are mixing lots of things up in this and the Pellegrini thread. We lost yesterday because of individual errors from one player. Nothing more and nothing less. Yes Garcia and Lescott were put under pressure at times, and yes Hart had to make a smart save in the first half. But ultimately, we conceded very poor goals due to the aforementioned players' errors. And it's hardly a shock, Zaba as good as he is, is prone to the odd very poor performance due to poor positioning or decision making.

If you want to discuss why we looked so similar to last season, I'll try and put forward a theory. There's no question that due to the makeshift nature of our centre halves, our fullbacks weren't pushed anywhere near as far forward as they were against Newcastle. This coupled with Cardiff's overly defensive formation and the fantastic job that Medel and the Icelandic guy did in creating a shield in front of their back 4 and closing down the spaces we generally like to play in, meant that Navas, Silva, Dzeko, and Aguero, really needed to come up with something between the four of them. It wasn't an ideal situation, and it clearly went tits up because much like last season, the attacking players in particular made all the same decision making errors in terms of pass/dribble/shoot that they would do away from home last season. These things will be coached out of them.

We will be far better away from home as the players come to learn what is expected of them - just as we improved steadily over Mancini's first 8/9 months in charge. The next step we need to take is one from a formidable attacking behemoth at home, to a formidable attacking behemoth home and away. It will come.
so your suggestion is to ignore it, do nothing and hope it improves
 
Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

Mike88 said:
Cardiff fan here.
I'm sure your manager will learn something from this defeat and that you will prosper this season. It's far better to lose against poorer teams now than at the end of the season when results seem to matter more. As for us I am under no illusion that this season will be difficult and we all know we will be in a relegation fight. But for many of us who have supported our club through thin and thin it means so much to beat a side of the quality of Manchester City.

Good luck for the rest of the season. I hope you win the Premiership.

Thanks for posting I agree with much of your post but think that points dropped or gained are of equal importance at any time. The only thing is poor performances are easier to analysle and correct early season. Good luck with the rest of the season. I thought your team played well and defended very well, though as you say your goals were In a big part our errors.
 
Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

bobmcfc said:
Do your suggestionis to ignore it, do nothing and hope it improves

Not sure Pellegrini or his staff will turn up at training tomorrow and say "right lads, well played on Sunday, lets all go for a pint".
 
Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

So much negativity from yesterday but although it's true we got done by simple schoolboy defensive errors - there are some positives
Hart made a superb save from Campbell first half - he needs a boot up the arse but he is still a class goalkeeper and many of his good saves go unnoticed
We scored two away - normally that should win a game
we had our two first choice centre backs out
Iam glad this happened second game of the season and not I jan/Feb when the title is won and lost-
slip ups happen the most important thing is to learn from them-
Pellegrini has to get them drilled for set pieces as that is the only way most teams can score against us as yesterday showed very clearly
 
Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

BillyShears said:
If you want to discuss why we looked so similar to last season, I'll try and put forward a theory. There's no question that due to the makeshift nature of our centre halves, our fullbacks weren't pushed anywhere near as far forward as they were against Newcastle. This coupled with Cardiff's overly defensive formation and the fantastic job that Medel and the Icelandic guy did in creating a shield in front of their back 4 and closing down the spaces we generally like to play in, meant that Navas, Silva, Dzeko, and Aguero, really needed to come up with something between the four of them. It wasn't an ideal situation, and it clearly went tits up because much like last season, the attacking players in particular made all the same decision making errors in terms of pass/dribble/shoot that they would do away from home last season. These things will be coached out of them.

We will be far better away from home as the players come to learn what is expected of them - just as we improved steadily over Mancini's first 8/9 months in charge. The next step we need to take is one from a formidable attacking behemoth at home, to a formidable attacking behemoth home and away. It will come.

What disappointed me more than anything was the predictability of it all. I said in the week that I'd be interested to see if MP could get us playing differently away from home, and he failed in that respect. I can't quite believe that we never once managed to get Navas round the back of their fullback, quite why he kept drifting infield is beyond me.
 
Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

You could argue the system worked to a point. We were bossing the game at one nil. I get it when we go behind and struggle in that type of game, but to take the lead and lose is unacceptable, and was down to the players making individual and collective mistakes. You have to close games like that out when you take the lead
 
Re: Cardiff Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

Blue Mooner said:
We lost this because of two corners, nothing more nothing less.

I noticed that we went to man to man marking at corners as opposed to zonal marking. For me, when you have a team that is relatively low on height, zonal marking is by far the better tactic as you place your tall players defending the threatening positions as opposed to taller opposition players dragging them out of position.

Having Zabaleta go man for man is asking for trouble. It's clear that both their corners were aimed at Frazier Campbell recognising Zabaleta's lack of height and the element of surprise. That is very clever management. Campbell whilst not being the tallest is clearly decent in the air.

Defending set pieces is something we are going to have to work hard at, as this is one area where these lower level clubs will feel they can get some success as it is a great leveller.

Frasier Campbell wouldn't have got a look in at those corners if the opposition had of been the rags ...... the height , and awareness , of central defenders Vidic and Ferdinand would have seen to that .... just as they dealt with the mobile and arial threat of 6' 1" Michu last week.

Yet laughingly we had a 6' 2" central defender guarding the goal line for their third goal (in Lescott) , and a 5' 9" full back (in Zabaleta) attempting to contain their goal scorer ......

at 1-0 up , just after half time , it was the perfect time to take Cardiff apart and kill the game off with a further knockout punch , and a great side WOULD have done ....... but we saw just the opposite happen because of rank bad defending all the way down the line from the first Cardiff goal to the last ..... so already we play catch up , and lessons have to be learned ..... we all know what happens when you ignore them , as happened last season.
 

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