Carlos Tevez

[mancity1]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

 

[teddykgb]

So United took a gamble - and it paid off.

lets see how he gets on next season. Tailed off toward the end of last for me.

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

 

[mancity1]

Of course. They ran him into the ground and relied on him too much so he burned out. He'll probably be rested by the time the new season comes around. But his goals won them the league and had they not won the league it could have led to a terminal decline. RVP's signing for United can only be deemed a success IMO.

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

 

[blueparrot]

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

I think you're right they got the same points as the year before and scored 3 less goals. We lost the title of our own back not because they were much improved.

 

[Firasdo]

I think Arsenal scored more goals than City this season and they dont have RVP :)

Some are trying to indicate that its all down to RVP which is not accurate.

When you evaluate the difference between two teams you should evaluate every player and see who did better than our players.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

Tevez & Mancini at Monaco!!

Interesting to say the least.

both masters of controlled rage, ehehe

(other than the obvious personal stuff which transpired between them the season before last)

- well to qualify that, it's Tevez who can do this on the pitch (without having things spill over in ways Mario used to sadly suffer from) and he is indeed quite skilled at it, in addition to ceaselessly harrying opponents & creating chances, and Manciti who under that suave, sophisticated & cool exterior was a no-nonsense & utterly brutal managerial operator with a 'rage to win' through ultimate perfection few can match.

 

[mancity1]

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

I think you're right they got the same points as the year before and scored 3 less goals. We lost the title of our own back not because they were much improved.

I like your summary.

Often a player stands out goal wise and people claim he is the difference.

It's lazy and simple to say a new addition made all the difference.

It needs to be analysed over all facets both physically and mentally.

Of course Fergie being the simple minded Scot he is would say it was his master stroke and we had to get one back on the noisy neighbours etc.

The funny thing is he really knows that a fit and firing Rooney along with the mindset that the rest of the team had would have been enough assuming we lost some of the mental edge we had over them the previous year.

The reality is our better players didn't perform often enough when it mattered some of it could be blamed on injuries but when its all said and done we didn't have the mindset to go the extra mile required.

For some the thrill of being a part of history was enough , the mountain had already been climbed so to speak.

Others let off field stuff get to them , Nasri being a case in point and at least he was man enough to admit it but either way it wasn't good enough from someone who can and should have had done better.

We lost the battle last year more so than Manure winning it.

We were capable of 89 plus points with Tevez being on deck all year round as opposed to when he wasn't but our players and the management were not up to the task mentally and its part of the reason RM was given his marching orders.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Gazzetta dello sport are claiming joorabchian held talks with Milan and juve officials today,regarding tevez.

Sorry if already posted.

 

[teddykgb]

Dzeko's goal against QPR won us the league the season before ( Yes Aqueero iced the cake but I hope you catch the drift ).

RVP played a big part in Manure's success but the team overall was better last season than the others including us.

Its idle speculation but the Peahead , Wellbeck and Rooney alone may have been enough for them to win the title last season and no one can prove either way what would have happened had Manure lost RVP to injury for the bulk of the season.

Most Manure fans FWIW's that I know would pick Rooney over RVP to stay if one of them had to go over the summer.

Most rags fans that you know are stupid, then, but I guess that's already self evident :)

You probably won't agree but if Rooney was left to do what he did the previous season he would have still led the assists and scored close to the 26 in the PL that RVP did leaving Peewee and Wellbeck to pick up the residue.

I don't think they are great shakes but I think Peewee and Wellbeck with more game time could have picked up much of slack on the goal front.

I am one of those that actually thinks Manure would have won the title last season without RVP we will never know of course and I am certainly not alone by any means in that belief.

I am not saying he wasn't a big factor in their points tally last season of course he was but to say he was the sole difference between Manure and us is looking at things way too simplistically.

Of course if we had a decent run with injuries and had the Manure mindset I am sure we would have gone two on the trot and RVP wouldn't even have been spoken about in the way he was for the first 2/3rds of the season anyway.

I agree with you by and large, except I think that Rooney is a shell of the overrated player he was in the past. The best thing he's bringing to their side these days is the Scholes like ability to commit 200 fouls a game and be called for one (non card) and complain about it. There is some value in being able to foul with reckless abandon.

Either way, I think we just struggled to defend a title, we're hardly the first squad to struggle in that situation. United had a good, deep team and probably would have been there without RvP, we just stumbled too much in our title defense.

 

[simonmdm]

How likely is it that we'll sell Tevez this transfer window? I try not to listen to anything that Kia says as it's hardly ever the truth.

If we are going to sell him, how much is he likely to cost to buy? I'm wondering whether we'll get enough for him for it to be worth selling him. He's still a decent player for us and I wonder it we'd be able to find a player on the same level to him without paying a lot of extra money.