No you don't, those types will always have the view we are dirty cheats funded with oil money.
Your wasting oxygen worrying about people like that and they are stealing it.
@Prestwich_Blue have you ever tried calling in to speak to Simon Jordan about City and FFP?
I've actually considered doing it myself, but I'm nowhere near qualified in comparison to you.
I know that Talksport are bear baiters and they want to wind people up so they call in. I wouldn't bother calling an Adrian Durham or Jamie O'hara, because they don't actually know what they're talking about.
Simon Jordan is a dickhead and a gobshite, but he clearly has some level of intelligence, and he actually seems to just be completely misinformed about City and FFP.
It's people like him, who have a voice and are capable of understanding what's really happened with City and FFP, who could make a difference with the great unwashed.
The Murdoch Empire,coonts.So big, they have to share an office building with The Sun, which is convenient all round.
All fair and of course I agree about the business model.It’s a noble idea mate, but unfortunately it’s based on a false hypothesis.
Talksport has a set editorial designed to hit two simple objectives:
1 - optimising ad revenues by maximising listening figures for their incessant gutter brush ads, and;
2 - winding up as many witless football fans as possible til they’re triggered to phone in and pay the exorbitant call charge to get shouted down for 30 seconds before being cut off.
Based on the above, the editorial line isn’t about accurately representing the facts of any topic they’re discussing - it’s a pantomime, designed to bait the masses.
I’d be surprised if Jordan (or any of their pundits, for that matter) actually believes anything he says on that station. His job is to trigger, and to follow the editorial line he’s given. He’s a gob on a stick - nothing more.
You can’t reason with him in this role, or convince him of anything. I’m sure if you saw him in the pub, he’d have a laugh with you and say it’s all part of the job. He may even agree with what you’re saying.
But when he’s at work - like all of us, he’s doing what his employers pay him to do.
Taking the bait and phoning in with a cogent, reasoned argument isn’t going to get him to do an about face on air and admit he's in the wrong.
It isn’t going to ‘turn’ him to a position of advocacy for City’s business model or our ownership model.
He’d simply shout over you for 30 seconds, calling you a liar either too blind to see the truth, or a lackey in the pay of Abu Dhabi - and then the station would cut you off.
It’s a complete waste of time, and would achieve nothing as an attempt to change the views of the masses - as you say.
All fair and of course I agree about the business model.
But the truth is, if Simon Jordan or whoever, said adamantly on TalkSport that City had not breached FFP, at this point it would trigger far more people than saying they have.
The narrative is set, City are financial dopers and sportswashers and FFP cheats.
That’s why, ironically enough professional wum Adrian Durham actually says nice things about us. He knows it will wind more people up than if he just joins the bandwagon and says what everyone else is saying.
Simon Jordan is without doubt a gob on a stick. But he’s not a wum for wum’s sake like a Mike Parry or Adrian Durham.
He has at least a semblance of intelligence in there somewhere, his USP is that he’s actually got a bit of insight into the business side of football. So again, for the demographic of TalkSport listeners, he is an opinion leader of sorts.
Jordan mentions regularly about us failing FFP in 2011 and us getting away with it last time because evidence was time barred. I think he genuinely believes those things and isn’t in full possession of the facts.
If @Prestwich_Blue or someone else as well versed went on and filleted him with facts, I genuinely think it could have an impact and gain traction on social media afterwards.
PB doing a video like this where he picks apart all the FFP myths would be absolute social media dynamite!
All fair and of course I agree about the business model.
But the truth is, if Simon Jordan or whoever, said adamantly on TalkSport that City had not breached FFP, at this point it would trigger far more people than saying they have.
The narrative is set, City are financial dopers and sportswashers and FFP cheats.
That’s why, ironically enough professional wum Adrian Durham actually says nice things about us. He knows it will wind more people up than if he just joins the bandwagon and says what everyone else is saying.
Simon Jordan is without doubt a gob on a stick. But he’s not a wum for wum’s sake like a Mike Parry or Adrian Durham.
He has at least a semblance of intelligence in there somewhere, his USP is that he’s actually got a bit of insight into the business side of football. So again, for the demographic of TalkSport listeners, he is an opinion leader of sorts.
Jordan mentions regularly about us failing FFP in 2011 and us getting away with it last time because evidence was time barred. I think he genuinely believes those things and isn’t in full possession of the facts.
If @Prestwich_Blue or someone else as well versed went on and filleted him with facts, I genuinely think it could have an impact and gain traction on social media afterwards.
PB doing a video like this where he picks apart all the FFP myths would be absolute social media dynamite!
Jordan is not a finance expert. He is actually a business failure who has re-invented himself as a pundit to try and pay the bills. When you listen to his comments it is pretty clear he doesn't understand the world of finance because he makes a lot of basic errors. His comments about City show he doesn't understand our business model.Your idea on the video is a great idea, and would be a much better approach in my opinion as it removes his ability to simple shout over you or cut you off - and if it gained enough traction, it would very likely force him into a debate to respond to the specific points raised.
I maintain however that calling in and attempting any sort of direct debate while he’s on air would be a complete waste of time for the reasons already covered.
I do differ from you on the bit about him completely changing his position based on a rational argument though, as that assumes the position he’s taking is his to change - and I’m not at all convinced it is.
A pro-City position would undoubtedly trigger a slew of Liverpool and United fans to ring in telling him he was talking rubbish, but that would require the station to change its editorial line on City and FFP - which will be way above Jordan’s pay grade.
If the station could somehow be convinced to change its editorial position on this issue, I agree with you that this could do a huge amount to change the view of the average uninformed fan on our Club and FFP - but that’s nothing to do with Jordan.
I suppose it comes down to whether you believe Jordan genuinely believes what he says (your position) or whether you think he’s towing an editorial line based on the position his employers have told him to take (mine).
His role is as a supposed football finance expert, but I maintain this is simply the role he’s playing - the lines he’s given will be directed by his editors and producers.
Jordan is not a finance expert. He is actually a business failure who has re-invented himself as a pundit to try and pay the bills. When you listen to his comments it is pretty clear he doesn't understand the world of finance because he makes a lot of basic errors. His comments about City show he doesn't understand our business model.
He got lucky selling mobile phones. He's probably a brilliant salesman but in the world of finance he is a bluffer. Being a bluffer can help you go a long way these days. Look at the world of politics.
A good salesman - bad businessman = Good bullshitter/gift of the gab.Jordan is not a finance expert. He is actually a business failure who has re-invented himself as a pundit to try and pay the bills. When you listen to his comments it is pretty clear he doesn't understand the world of finance because he makes a lot of basic errors. His comments about City show he doesn't understand our business model.
He got lucky selling mobile phones. He's probably a brilliant salesman but in the world of finance he is a bluffer. Being a bluffer can help you go a long way these days. Look at the world of politics.