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CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)
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Metalartin
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That's a journalists take, another way of putting it is, as I explained earlier: Just because it was deemed admissible to explore on a legal basis, it doesn't mean that Der Speigel didn't mislead by taking things out of context. It looks very much like they did.I agree.
It's also important that while CAS thought the combining of 2 emails distorted things, it didn't undermine veracity.
It's underhand from someone, but didn't affect anything much.
That was not UEFA's fault after all and City didn't provide the originals. We can't blame UEFA so much there for how the emails were presented but we can question Der Spiegel(clear and organised). The fact that it was explored and found to be unproven, is better for the club in my view.
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lancs blue
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Who else is there? If Der Spiegel have them they're going to be very wary having been sussed for stitching two together.true, but all it takes is someone else to splice 2 of the others together and off we go again, theoretically.
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Now it's been proven UEFA used hacked and doctored email to ban City. Who investigates UEFA ?. Why didnt UEFA investigate the souce of the emails ?. Why were there so many leaks by UEFA ? That needs investigate.
Theres alot of questions that need answering from UEFA, it's a shame our press/media havent got any balls to asks these questions.
Why arent questions being asked about the hateful 9 ?
Come the British press/media grow a pair and stop arse licking your bung masters.
Theres alot of questions that need answering from UEFA, it's a shame our press/media havent got any balls to asks these questions.
Why arent questions being asked about the hateful 9 ?
Come the British press/media grow a pair and stop arse licking your bung masters.
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andyhinch
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GoodHe's taken Conn to the cleaners mate.
tornandfrayed
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I think we all know what would have happened mate, I just think any right (and fair) minded person, which CAS as a body are supposed to be, would have seen the witch hunt for what it was once all the evidence was on the table, and would take that into consideration, maybe I'm more fair minded than most.
We have to remember that CAS are part of the system. UEFA aren't the only corrupt and inept international sporting body and yet CAS are happy to cooperate with them all. A cynic might say the whole system is all a nice little earner for the legal profession and so the CAS panel aren't likely to try and bring them down rather they insist that the charade must continue.
M18CTID
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UEFA don't have those emails, they didn't even have the originals of the 7 used in evidence - I think it was established that they simply used those as published in the DS articles.
PB said months ago that the only evidence UEFA had were the Der Spiegel newspaper articles. I think many of us found that very difficult to believe, not because we didn’t trust what he was saying but because we found it almost impossible to comprehend how they could bring charges based solely on “evidence” that you, I, or anyone could’ve come up with.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Who else is there? If Der Spiegel have them they're going to be very wary having been sussed for stitching two together.
who knows, we've a plethora of shady shisters after us. It was just hypothetical anyway.
Cobwebcat
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I thought I'd do a post from UEFA's point of view after reading the report...boooooo!
What strikes me most is how stupid the whole thing has been from start to finish and what a looney tunes World we live in.
Just a bit of background. The old G14 agreed to officially disband what amounted to a powerful pressure group in return for some of their members being given positions on some decision making sections of UEFA. In some cases this amounted to 50% of the decision making body. The G14 also agreed that they wouldn't break away from UEFA...the often referred to Super-league. This single action was, and still is, UEFA's biggest mistake. They should have kept their independence at all costs even if it meant the G14 leaving UEFA and FIFA.
UEFA kept their part of the bargain. The G14 then morphed into the ECA containing hundreds of clubs throughout Europe. However the old G14 still retained control but were no longer referred to officially as the G14 and were regarded as founding members. The G14 now had an even bigger pressure group and crucially members on the inside of UEFA itself.
G14 used its powers to carry out all sorts of unfair practices. Some of them City fans are well aware of...changing FFP from debt based to turnover based is famous by now as is the redistribution of money from UEFA competitions based on historical success. The threat of a Super-league did not go away.
When City came along it was thought that FFP would limit our success as it would anybody else thinking of doing the same. City's business model however was frighteningly good, it went over FFP like a speed bump. Additionally the CFG were buying clubs from all four corners of the World. City's turnover quickly matched and surpassed that of many of the G14 clubs and City were hoovering up domestic trophies at an alarming rate.
Rather than welcoming the new investment into football G14 were terrified that their income was going down and used all their power to stop us. When DS published their hacked emails about City this was their big chance. They put enormous pressure on UEFA externally and internally to cut us off at the knees never to return.
What happened next is guesswork but won't be far off reading between the lines.
Confident of victory, the G14 and their press friends used the opportunity to attempt to influence public perception and also the two decision making chambers over which they crucially had an amount of control. This included the now famous leaks coming from UEFA itself.
Early reports were suggesting that UEFA's decision was a small fine. The G14 are furious. The emails looked extremely damaging and it looked like City were ignoring the rules but that UEFA was caving in. There was talk of FFP being meaningless if direct investment was allowed, more talk of a break-away and UEFAs governance being woeful. City were not fully cooperating and had something to hide.
UEFA are now in an awful position of their own making and they try to come up with a deal that will keep the G14 and City happy. No deal. A two year ban was announced to everyone's surprise but City.
The press find City guilty immediately. The American owners exert all their power over UEFA and the press that they can influence.
City knew the emails were out of context but did not give UEFA the proof preferring to take the case to CAS. This was a big gamble. As CAS pointed out City should have co-operated before the case reached CAS and UEFA might have not gone ahead with the expulsion. City were concerned about leaks and UEFA's impartiality.
When the case comes to CAS City hand over the full picture. UEFA only had the emails which turned out to be glued together and altered much to UEFA's embarrassment. City are cleared but punished for the smaller charge of none co-operation with the process.
G14 transfer their anger to UEFA in an attempt to remove more UEFA officials not G14 friendly. City and UEFA have talks about removing the UEFA officials that are G14 friendly.
The press are left with crumbs but keep going. With the legal backing now clear City stop some reports likely to cause the most damage.
So here we find ourselves. Who is the enemy now? Remember Soriano's video? It's all in there. City want to work with, not against, UEFA but remove the G14 infestation. City have sympathetic friends in UEFA who now realise they were naive to let certain people into their organisation.
Talk of replacing all of UEFA is dangerous because the replacement could be 100% Pro G14. Much easier to slowly replace the 5% using their influence for self gain.
City have won a big battle. The War has tipped in our favour. City fans want immediate revenge which isn't going to happen.
The old guard will have their power removed slowly and we will never notice it. One day we will be the old guard and we will try to protect ourselves from the new guard and we will be replaced...and on it goes...
What strikes me most is how stupid the whole thing has been from start to finish and what a looney tunes World we live in.
Just a bit of background. The old G14 agreed to officially disband what amounted to a powerful pressure group in return for some of their members being given positions on some decision making sections of UEFA. In some cases this amounted to 50% of the decision making body. The G14 also agreed that they wouldn't break away from UEFA...the often referred to Super-league. This single action was, and still is, UEFA's biggest mistake. They should have kept their independence at all costs even if it meant the G14 leaving UEFA and FIFA.
UEFA kept their part of the bargain. The G14 then morphed into the ECA containing hundreds of clubs throughout Europe. However the old G14 still retained control but were no longer referred to officially as the G14 and were regarded as founding members. The G14 now had an even bigger pressure group and crucially members on the inside of UEFA itself.
G14 used its powers to carry out all sorts of unfair practices. Some of them City fans are well aware of...changing FFP from debt based to turnover based is famous by now as is the redistribution of money from UEFA competitions based on historical success. The threat of a Super-league did not go away.
When City came along it was thought that FFP would limit our success as it would anybody else thinking of doing the same. City's business model however was frighteningly good, it went over FFP like a speed bump. Additionally the CFG were buying clubs from all four corners of the World. City's turnover quickly matched and surpassed that of many of the G14 clubs and City were hoovering up domestic trophies at an alarming rate.
Rather than welcoming the new investment into football G14 were terrified that their income was going down and used all their power to stop us. When DS published their hacked emails about City this was their big chance. They put enormous pressure on UEFA externally and internally to cut us off at the knees never to return.
What happened next is guesswork but won't be far off reading between the lines.
Confident of victory, the G14 and their press friends used the opportunity to attempt to influence public perception and also the two decision making chambers over which they crucially had an amount of control. This included the now famous leaks coming from UEFA itself.
Early reports were suggesting that UEFA's decision was a small fine. The G14 are furious. The emails looked extremely damaging and it looked like City were ignoring the rules but that UEFA was caving in. There was talk of FFP being meaningless if direct investment was allowed, more talk of a break-away and UEFAs governance being woeful. City were not fully cooperating and had something to hide.
UEFA are now in an awful position of their own making and they try to come up with a deal that will keep the G14 and City happy. No deal. A two year ban was announced to everyone's surprise but City.
The press find City guilty immediately. The American owners exert all their power over UEFA and the press that they can influence.
City knew the emails were out of context but did not give UEFA the proof preferring to take the case to CAS. This was a big gamble. As CAS pointed out City should have co-operated before the case reached CAS and UEFA might have not gone ahead with the expulsion. City were concerned about leaks and UEFA's impartiality.
When the case comes to CAS City hand over the full picture. UEFA only had the emails which turned out to be glued together and altered much to UEFA's embarrassment. City are cleared but punished for the smaller charge of none co-operation with the process.
G14 transfer their anger to UEFA in an attempt to remove more UEFA officials not G14 friendly. City and UEFA have talks about removing the UEFA officials that are G14 friendly.
The press are left with crumbs but keep going. With the legal backing now clear City stop some reports likely to cause the most damage.
So here we find ourselves. Who is the enemy now? Remember Soriano's video? It's all in there. City want to work with, not against, UEFA but remove the G14 infestation. City have sympathetic friends in UEFA who now realise they were naive to let certain people into their organisation.
Talk of replacing all of UEFA is dangerous because the replacement could be 100% Pro G14. Much easier to slowly replace the 5% using their influence for self gain.
City have won a big battle. The War has tipped in our favour. City fans want immediate revenge which isn't going to happen.
The old guard will have their power removed slowly and we will never notice it. One day we will be the old guard and we will try to protect ourselves from the new guard and we will be replaced...and on it goes...
How do you get an "original" of an email?UEFA don't have those emails, they didn't even have the originals of the 7 used in evidence - I think it was established that they simply used those as published in the DS articles.