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Celtic game - strict security measures announced (page 34)
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Tim of the Oak
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The majority of fans do not get involved with this. Our away support are more likely to. Not all if us agree with using the club as a political vehicle.
It saddens me.
I took a few Irish lads to the game last night who like Celtic but aren't big fans. They just watched the game and respected being in the home end.
casserole of nonsense
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What steps does the club take to discourage sectarianism? I assume certain banners and flags are removed by the stewards on match days, and the perpetrators of sectarian chanting are given lengthy stadium bans?The majority of fans do not get involved with this. Our away support are more likely to. Not all if us agree with using the club as a political vehicle.
It saddens me.
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Magicpole
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What steps does the club take to discourage sectarianism? I assume certain banners and flags are removed by the stewards on match days, and the perpetrators of sectarian chanting are given lengthy stadium bans?
It is an offence in Scotland to sing certain sectarian or political songs. You can be arrested. As for the club doing more? They don't want this but it is difficult to change. The troubles of Ireland have been going for 800 years after it was colonised and planted with Scots and English.
A statement or increased measures might help but it's a deep historical problem that both Glasgow Clubs are embroiled in due to their respective supports.
I had hoped that after the peace process things would ease up. I'm still hoping. I hate religion of any sort and it's involvement in football is an ugly stain.
In short, there is no simple answer. As long as people teach their kids to hate someone because if religion there isn't much a football club can do.
Good post but Celtic pamper far too much to the green brigade.It is an offence in Scotland to sing certain sectarian or political songs. You can be arrested. As for the club doing more? They don't want this but it is difficult to change. The troubles of Ireland have been going for 800 years after it was colonised and planted with Scots and English.
A statement or increased measures might help but it's a deep historical problem that both Glasgow Clubs are embroiled in due to their respective supports.
I had hoped that after the peace process things would ease up. I'm still hoping. I hate religion of any sort and it's involvement in football is an ugly stain.
In short, there is no simple answer. As long as people teach their kids to hate someone because if religion there isn't much a football club can do.
They have continually let the club down but still they are there.
They should have been disbanded years ago.
Magicpole
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Good post but Celtic pamper far too much to the green brigade.
They have continually let the club down but still they are there.
They should have been disbanded years ago.
The GB are a double edged sword. They do bring atmosphere and are good to watch. On the other hand they can be overtly political and bring Celtic into focus on issues they rather wouldn't be involved in.
The political side I would rather they took to the streets. I'm bored with getting into bother by the use of Celtic as a campaign vehicle.
I would prefer we sang the hundreds of songs we have without the need to resort to the political ones.
casserole of nonsense
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Good, I'm glad both Glasgow clubs are doing everything they possibly can to change sectarian attitudes amongst their support. There was me thinking that past colonial exploitation and historical religious differences were conveniently used to justify how difficult change is in the present. I used to think both clubs were reluctant to instigate change because sectarian ego was part of their core branding.It is an offence in Scotland to sing certain sectarian or political songs. You can be arrested. As for the club doing more? They don't want this but it is difficult to change. The troubles of Ireland have been going for 800 years after it was colonised and planted with Scots and English.
A statement or increased measures might help but it's a deep historical problem that both Glasgow Clubs are embroiled in due to their respective supports.
I had hoped that after the peace process things would ease up. I'm still hoping. I hate religion of any sort and it's involvement in football is an ugly stain.
In short, there is no simple answer. As long as people teach their kids to hate someone because if religion there isn't much a football club can do.
I can't believe the huge impact of these ongoing measures hasn't been obvious to me before.
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Magicpole
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Good, I'm glad both Glasgow clubs are doing everything they possibly can to change sectarian attitudes amongst their support. There was me thinking that past colonial exploitation and historical religious differences were convenient justifications used to validate how difficult change is in the present. I used to think both clubs were reluctant to instigate change because sectarian ego was part of their core branding.
I can't believe the huge impact of these ongoing measures hasn't been obvious to me before.
If you have a problem, then add religious hatred into the mix, it can become intractable. Both clubs have benefitted from it financially over the decades, you're bang on there.
It's now a bit of an embarrassment but they haven't really got the power to change attitudes on a societal level. Banning songs sometimes makes the signing of them an act of defiance for both sides.
It is a sad state of affairs, our adherence and differing interpretation of man made invisible man in the sky fables, sees the same old lines being drawn and redrawn down the centuries.
Everybody has right and their version of their fictitious god on their side.
It's FUBAR.
casserole of nonsense
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If you have a problem, then add religious hatred into the mix, it can become intractable. Both clubs have benefitted from it financially over the decades, you're bang on there.
It's now a bit of an embarrassment but they haven't really got the power to change attitudes on a societal level. Banning songs sometimes makes the signing of them an act of defiance for both sides.
It is a sad state of affairs, our adherence and differing interpretation of man made invisible man in the sky fables, sees the same old lines being drawn and redrawn down the centuries.
Everybody has right and their version of their fictitious god on their side.
It's FUBAR.
It's described as intractable because it's convenient to both clubs (and many other institutions) to view it that way. It's hatred rooted in mediaeval hocus pocus; of course it can be sorted, but that can only happen when people stop saying it's intractable. As you say, it's very sad.
Magicpole
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It's described as intractable because it's convenient to both clubs (and many other institutions) to view it that way. It's hatred rooted in mediaeval hocus pocus; of course it can be sorted, but that can only happen when people stop saying it's intractable. As you say, it's very sad.
Back in the day a celtic v rangers game would see hundreds of arrests and much more aggro. That has diminished thankfully, due in part to the new allocations of only 7,500 away fans. It used to be 22,000 away fans at each ground, mass drinking and meeting in the city centre always led to fights
Someday maybe. But unfortunately not any day soon I'm afraid.