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[Damocles]

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But the root of most wars in the last 2 thousand years has firmly been placed at the feet of religion

 

[SWP's back]

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It says [Citation Needed] In response to:

But the root of most wars in the last 2 thousand years has firmly been placed at the feet of religion

So to be correct I am looking for 51%, ok here goes:

The Crusades: 3 centuries worth of bloodshed to rid the holy land of the nasty Muslims.

French Wars of Religion: full 16th worth of nastiness.

Thirty Years War: Germany, Sweden & Poland (then France also) between the same religion - Cristianity eh.

Taipang Rebellion - 20 MILLION dead as a result of this civil war caused by religious diffrence (to be honest even if this was the only religious war, I think 20 M dead is cause enough to say bad things have been done in the name of religion, but that's just me I suppose).

Most British wars with continental Europe after the 16th Century had a religious elements with French & Spanish monarchs using our ex-communication from the Catholic Church as reason enough to keep wanting to invade and destroy or country (though I agree, it was about controlling wealth but as I stated before, it is easier to make people flock to your banner when you tell them God is on their side and will look after them).

Muslim Conquests

Buddist White Lotus rebellion

Saxon Wars

The Irish "Troubles" - ha, some bloody name for them.

These are just examples and whilst I know you enjoy getting involved in a discussion Damocles, you can surely see the point I was trying to make?

Look, Saint Augustine is credited as being the first to detail a "Just War" theory within Christianity, whereby war is justifiable on religious grounds. Saint Thomas Aquinas elaborated on these criteria and his writings were used by the Roman Catholic Church to regulate the actions of European countries. - wow I can Wiki also.

 

[Damocles]

It says [Citation Needed] In response to:

So to be correct I am looking for 51%, ok here goes:

The Crusades: 3 centuries worth of bloodshed to rid the holy land of the nasty Muslims.

French Wars of Religion: full 16th worth of nastiness.

Thirty Years War: Germany, Sweden & Poland (then France also) between the same religion - Cristianity eh.

Taipang Rebellion - 20 MILLION dead as a result of this civil war caused by religious diffrence (to be honest even if this was the only religious war, I think 20 M dead is cause enough to say bad things have been done in the name of religion, but that's just me I suppose).

Most British wars with continental Europe after the 16th Century had a religious elements with French & Spanish monarchs using our ex-communication from the Catholic Church as reason enough to keep wanting to invade and destroy or country (though I agree, it was about controlling wealth but as I stated before, it is easier to make people flock to your banner when you tell them God is on their side and will look after them).

Muslim Conquests

Buddist White Lotus rebellion

Saxon Wars

The Irish "Troubles" - ha, some bloody name for them.

These are just examples and whilst I know you enjoy getting involved in a discussion Damocles, you can surely see the point I was trying to make?

Look, Saint Augustine is credited as being the first to detail a "Just War" theory within Christianity, whereby war is justifiable on religious grounds. Saint Thomas Aquinas elaborated on these criteria and his writings were used by the Roman Catholic Church to regulate the actions of European countries. - wow I can Wiki also.

You've got 8 (and some of them are arguable).

You have 1498 more to get, to get 51% of recorded wars.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.vency.com/wars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vency.com/wars.html</a>

I do see your point that religion has caused conflicts, but so has money, power, territory, insult, names, ethic minorities, governance type, resources, tactical positioning, pre-emptive wars, etc.

My point is that wars have been fought over religion, but wars have been fought over absolutely everything so putting it at the feet of one cause is narrowminded.

 

[SWP's back]

Are knives bad Damocles?

EDIT: Just to be a pedant Damocles, I also said most wars in the last 2 thousand years, that list you put up there is the last 3,700 years. ;)

2nd Edit: Do you still think I am not allowed a view on the effects of religion without reading scripture or did my analogy of the car and its engine work fine for you?

 

[Damocles]

Are knives bad Damocles?

EDIT: Just to be a pedant Damocles, I also said most wars in the last 2 thousand years, that list you put up there is the last 3,700 years. ;)

2nd Edit: Do you still think I am not allowed a view on the effects of religion without reading scripture or did my analogy of the car and its engine work fine for you?

Oh no, the car analogy fitted well. I see what you are saying, and I was wrong before. I do believe that before slating the morality of any religion, one must strive to understand it, and that can only come from scripture and the Church's interpretation of it. This however, doesn't exclude you from making comments about religion as a social influence.

Regarding knives, I look at them the same way I look at religion. Knives are not inherently bad, but when bad people use knives for their own ends, they cause harm. Just as the estate of Henry Ford shouldn't be sued for every car accident, each of the religious institutions shouldn't be blamed for the stuff carried out in their name.

 

[SWP's back]

Are knives bad Damocles?

EDIT: Just to be a pedant Damocles, I also said most wars in the last 2 thousand years, that list you put up there is the last 3,700 years. ;)

2nd Edit: Do you still think I am not allowed a view on the effects of religion without reading scripture or did my analogy of the car and its engine work fine for you?

Oh no, the car analogy fitted well. I see what you are saying, and I was wrong before. I do believe that before slating the morality of any religion, one must strive to understand it, and that can only come from scripture and the Church's interpretation of it. This however, doesn't exclude you from making comments about religion as a social influence.

Regarding knives, I look at them the same way I look at religion. Knives are not inherently bad, but when bad people use knives for their own ends, they cause harm. Just as the estate of Henry Ford shouldn't be sued for every car accident, each of the religious institutions shouldn't be blamed for the stuff carried out in their name.

Super, glad we are in agreement.

 

[ElanJo]

Couple more to go with your list SWP


-9/11 / War on Terror / North-West Pakistan
-Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
-Conflicts in Somalia

I don't think most wars throughout history have been due to religion (most are a simple case of states wanting more control - internationally and domestically) but today there can be no doubt that it is doing it's damndest to change that.

 

[SWP's back]

Couple more to go with your list SWP


-9/11 / War on Terror / North-West Pakistan
-Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
-Conflicts in Somalia

I don't think most wars throughout history have been due to religion (most are a simple case of states wanting more control - internationally and domestically) but today there can be no doubt that it is doing it's damndest to change that.

Yeah it is but people will always say that it is not the main stream religions as they are they ones that are moderate.

 

[Damocles]

Couple more to go with your list SWP


-9/11 / War on Terror / North-West Pakistan
-Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
-Conflicts in Somalia

I don't think most wars throughout history have been due to religion (most are a simple case of states wanting more control - internationally and domestically) but today there can be no doubt that it is doing it's damndest to change that.

Yeah it is but people will always say that it is not the main stream religions as they are they ones that are moderate.

And those people should be mercilessly mocked until they realise the stupidity of that opinion.

 

[sweynforkbeard]

A historian would caution that we should not view the events of the past through the lens of todays mores.