Centre back options

Maldeika said:
No. He will not. We have the midfield packed, too. Vidal, Thiago, Tolisso, Rudy, Sanches for two places. Ancelotti was just asked that in the presser today. 4 central defenders is not a luxury after the last two seasons. We played the last match in Bundesliga again with a defense made of Kimmich and Alaba...
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You would know alot more about Bayern then me man but I would be very surprised if the 4 CBS listed play exclusively in that position unless you play 3 cbs
 
Cityfan said:
Pep has stated we will play both as opponents vary. If we stick to a back four it is maybe not as crucial but one medium to long term injury will still leave us struggling with any further short term injury / suspension . Though Kompany has now been fit for the longest consecutive period for a few years there is still obviously a degree of risk there that is higher than for most.
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That's why it's vital that whoever we target is capable of play multiple position so that he can be used elsewhere if you revert to 4 at the back. I genuinely think we should be targeting a decent utility player.
 
dachoosen1 said:
That's why it's vital that whoever we target is capable of play multiple position so that he can be used elsewhere if you revert to 4 at the back. I genuinely think we should be targeting a decent utility player.
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It sounds like we will not revert to a four or stick with a three but use both. Personally I think a decent utility player would be great providing they can play at centre back and the emphasis is on decent more than utility.
 
dachoosen1 said:
You see I think thats a problem if we play a back 3 we definitely need another cb as cover but if we play a back 4 then its kind of a wasted spot.
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I just don't see how having four centre backs in the squad would be a waste of a spot even if we mainly play a back four. In fact given kompany's injury record I would have thought it would be absolute madness to go into the season with just three. And that's just discussing the numbers and before we even start discussing the relative quality of the players we have at cb compared to other areas of the pitch.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
I just don't see how having four centre backs in the squad would be a waste of a spot even if we mainly play a back four. In fact given kompany's injury record I would have thought it would be absolute madness to go into the season with just three. And that's just discussing the numbers and before we even start discussing the relative quality of the players we have at cb compared to other areas of the pitch.
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At least Stones has looked to be shaping up in the last couple of games. Hopefully that continues & gives us two quality centre backs, rather than one.

Otamendi looks the same though & Tosin looks like he could maybe get away with a game or two vs the lesser teams, but will lose us the game v top 6.
 
Neville Kneville said:
At least Stones has looked to be shaping up in the last couple of games. Hopefully that continues & gives us two quality centre backs, rather than one.

Otamendi looks the same though & Tosin looks like he could maybe get away with a game or two vs the lesser teams, but will lose us the game v top 6.
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That's a tad harsh on the lad mate..
 
yeah whatever !! said:
That's a tad harsh on the lad mate..
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Just calling it as I see it.

Imo he currently makes too many positional mistakes & lacks the awareness of danger, to be reled upon against quality opposition, which causes problems for his team mates. Tbf both those things were also true of Otamendi, in the recent friendlies, but he has experience Tosin doesn't.
 
Neville Kneville said:
At least Stones has looked to be shaping up in the last couple of games. Hopefully that continues & gives us two quality centre backs, rather than one.

Otamendi looks the same though & Tosin looks like he could maybe get away with a game or two vs the lesser teams, but will lose us the game v top 6.
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It's just that frustration for me that the consensus seems to be that we are an attacking team so we need absolute shit hot quality in attacking areas but that we can get by at CB. I just don't get it. The fact that we are such an attacking team is exactly why we need top quality at CB because they often don't get the protection they would at most clubs. Pre-season has been good but we've played teams who want a game. It's that week after week of playing against teams who park the bus and hit us with the ball over the top when pretty much our entire team is at the edge of the opposition box (apart from Stones and Otamendi stood on the halfway line) that worries me.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Just calling it as I see it.

Imo he currently makes too many positional mistakes & lacks the awareness of danger, to be reled upon against quality opposition, which causes problems for his team mates. Tbf both those things were also true of Otamendi, in the recent friendlies, but he has experience Tosin doesn't.
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May seem harsh but I don't see much potential in tosin. He needs to go out loan rather than play the odd game, which I doubt he will even get that.
 
If Kompany is injured again this season can we not just strap him on to the back of Tosin?
 
We seriously need to sign some quality back up for this position. Vinnie cannot be relied upon all season due to injuries and we are wafer thin considering the fact that we will be using 3 - 5 - 2 at a number of games in the season. Pep likes to have 2 for every position so I would be looking at a Kimmich rather than say a Van Dijk who can cover at DM and RB. The way Pep works his player fatigue will set as well as injuries and this season will be all about the quality of the squad not just the first 11. We all know that this was something that we lacked last year along with an aging squad. This problem needs resolving now to avoid the panic buying.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
May seem harsh but I don't see much potential in tosin. He needs to go out loan rather than play the odd game, which I doubt he will even get that.
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I see plenty of potential in him but a real lack of game understanding. Which isn't surprising.

Whether he can get that as a bit part player I'm not sure. I would imagine a year on loan would be perfect, but then he would have to play. And there lies the problem.
 
dachoosen1 said:
Barca are activity trying to sell vermaelan, hernarndez will most likely be used as a full back as will azpilecuta if everyone is fit. No club has 4 out and out CBS bar maybe Bayern but I think Martinez will move to cm. If we sign a CB he will have to be able to cover another position.
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I agree mate. I don't think the player we sign will be an out and out CB but we need at least 4 senior players with the ability to play CB. I don't think Toure can cover CB. At a push Danilo could but that would leave us short in full backs. We need another body in the defence.
 
Dax777 said:
Fair enough. I don't think we are dependent on Kompany at all. Sure, he may be the best of the 3 CBS, but the other 2 are comfortably quality in their own rights.

I'm going to go ahead and predict we will finish #1 on defense with or without Kompany. This is not a slight on Komps, he is great in his own right. But energetic fullbacks and improves play at goalie is why we'll be good on defense.

Even now with Kompany playing we are Stil getting beat every now and then. But Ederson is doing his part. Last year we had full backs who couldn't keep possession and a keeper who was badly in a funk.
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Agreed, but we do probably need a 4th senior CB as cover especially if we're going to play with three at the back more this season. An experienced, left-footed defender like Vermaelen would be good...
 
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