Centre-back

[George Hannah]

Rekik said if we signed another center back he would want a move .....

Getting him and a fit Nastastic to go with Kompany and MDM is surely enough ......we can use the money elsewhere like a left winger

I agree with this - unless there is something wrong with Nasty that we are unaware of, I would rather take a shot at getting him back into the team that blowing the whole net-spend allocation this year on a CB. With the latter, you either overspend for an older guy (i.e. Pepe) or overspend for a prospect who may not even be as good as Nasty (i.e. Mangala.)

Benatia every day of the week - and I would not rule that out. Roma will get to the point where getting 30 mil for him is a better proposition than getting nothing and we might be able to snatch him yet. Just need to be patient.

Seems like this is a pretty deep position for us at the EDS level, and maybe that is a facotr in looking at Pepe or someone like that as a shorter-term expedient.

the problem is that Rekik and Nasty are both irredeemably left-sided

 

[SebastianBlue]

Rekik said if we signed another center back he would want a move .....

Getting him and a fit Nastastic to go with Kompany and MDM is surely enough ......we can use the money elsewhere like a left winger

I agree with this - unless there is something wrong with Nasty that we are unaware of, I would rather take a shot at getting him back into the team that blowing the whole net-spend allocation this year on a CB. With the latter, you either overspend for an older guy (i.e. Pepe) or overspend for a prospect who may not even be as good as Nasty (i.e. Mangala.)

Benatia every day of the week - and I would not rule that out. Roma will get to the point where getting 30 mil for him is a better proposition than getting nothing and we might be able to snatch him yet. Just need to be patient.

Seems like this is a pretty deep position for us at the EDS level, and maybe that is a facotr in looking at Pepe or someone like that as a shorter-term expedient.

the problem is that Rekik and Nasty are both irredeemably left-sided

And we have no need for a left-sided centre defender at all.

 

[thesilvalining]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

Nastasic

sorted.

I assume you didnt watch him regularly in the high line system we play?

I agree.....both Nastasic and Demichelis are very solid "system players" In the right formation they both can do well........but will always struggle with the way Pellegrini wants to play...Nastasic isn't comfortable enough on the ball and this will be a major issue as Pellegrini like to play football from the back and Demichelle will always put pressure on Kompany as he is too slow when covering.....in a one on one with a quicker striker, both Demichelis and Natasic can struggle.........if you don't have the right personnel, cracks are going to show......CB is the biggest need by far on this team.... imho!

I think one of nastasics strong points is that he is comfortable on the ball but I agree with most of what you said

 

[sam-caddick]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

Nastasic could develop into a world beater one day but at this moment in time he looks a small fish in a big pond against really elite teams and that is why we are looking for a defender.

 

[City_Sean]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

Nastasic

sorted.

I assume you didnt watch him regularly in the high line system we play?

Nobody watched him 'regularly' last season. He made 13 appearances and spent the majority of the season injured and he wasn't the only player to struggle.

So you've admitted that he struggled, a very good player in the right system. He doesn't suit a high line.

 

[Bluesiam]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

I'm pretty sure we'll get someone in, but if we won't get drawn into paying stupid money, then it wouldn't be the end of the world. Demichelis finished the season really well. Richards is a big unknown, but we have Nasty and possibly Rekik as back up. Maybe this is exactly what the latter 2 need to step up to the next level.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

I'm pretty sure we'll get someone in, but if we won't get drawn into paying stupid money, then it wouldn't be the end of the world. Demichelis finished the season really well. Richards is a big unknown, but we have Nasty and possibly Rekik as back up. Maybe this is exactly what the latter 2 need to step up to the next level.

It might not be the end of the world but the last 8 of the Champs league would probably be the end of our seasons assault.

And that's resting on the fact Vinny and Martin stay fit.

We need a player and we will get one.

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

LOL, I'm sure Bayern, Real and Barca would fear a Demichelis/Nastasic combo if Kompany tweaks one of his dodgy hamstrings.

99.999999% sure we'll sign a defender this summer. It's the number one priority of the club and for good reason. If not Mangala or Benatia, there will be other options.

 

[Klaude]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

LOL, I'm sure Bayern, Real and Barca would fear a Demichelis/Nastasic combo if Kompany tweaks one of his dodgy hamstrings.

99.999999% sure we'll sign a defender this summer. It's the number one priority of the club and for good reason. If not Mangala or Benatia, there will be other options.

I agree. Though i have full respect for Nastasic and Demi's ability ofc.

 

[rick773]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

i don't think kompany/mdm/nastisic/rekik would be the end of the world. It'd be good enough to get us out of CL group,and keep us close in the league. IF it did struggle though there'd be time to salvage it in January. For me if it were a new CB or fabregas id go with cesc. We can overpay for a defender anytime, but is someone of cesc's quality available at that price every window?

 

[Rammyblues]

If the reported Chelsea trying to spike our transfer dealings the way to stop that is for the club to use the scattergun approach by leaking information we are after several players Chelsea will not be able to cover all bases and we get the one we actually want.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

I agree with this - unless there is something wrong with Nasty that we are unaware of, I would rather take a shot at getting him back into the team that blowing the whole net-spend allocation this year on a CB. With the latter, you either overspend for an older guy (i.e. Pepe) or overspend for a prospect who may not even be as good as Nasty (i.e. Mangala.)

Benatia every day of the week - and I would not rule that out. Roma will get to the point where getting 30 mil for him is a better proposition than getting nothing and we might be able to snatch him yet. Just need to be patient.

Seems like this is a pretty deep position for us at the EDS level, and maybe that is a facotr in looking at Pepe or someone like that as a shorter-term expedient.

the problem is that Rekik and Nasty are both irredeemably left-sided

And we have no need for a left-sided centre defender at all.

If we are to rate Benatia as the man for us, is it not feasible to offer Roma Nastasic in a part-exchange deal? He was a fine prospect in Italy two years ago and was many fans choice as our best summer signing of two years back, but injuries aside, I get the feeling that Pellegrini doesn't really rate him for the system he wants, and a deal like this could solve a few problems, not least of which is FFP.

 

[bluechampion7891]

the problem is that Rekik and Nasty are both irredeemably left-sided

And we have no need for a left-sided centre defender at all.

If we are to rate Benatia as the man for us, is it not feasible to offer Roma Nastasic in a part-exchange deal? He was a fine prospect in Italy two years ago and was many fans choice as our best summer signing of two years back, but injuries aside, I get the feeling that Pellegrini doesn't really rate him for the system he wants, and a deal like this could solve a few problems, not least of which is FFP.

How much do we value Nastasic? Its should be above 15 million as we paid 12 million + Savic for him, and I think Savic cost us 7 million.

I also read 3 or 4 months ago that Mancini wanted to bring him to Galatasaray. How rich are they? If they can afford, why not sell him rather than under value him in a player exchange.

 

[LoveCity]

You don't simply trade off a talent like Nastasic, who we got in a player + cash deal in the first place (so it would be pretty silly to do the same deal with him as the expendable asset after just 2 seasons). He was considered one of Europe's top young defenders in his first season and will compete for a spot even if/when we sign a top defender. We really need to get out of the mindset of flogging players when they suddenly lose form or have injury problems. Nastasic is a great talent who deserves more time to adjust to Pellegrini's system and is years away from his prime.

Kompany/new signing/Nastasic/Demichelis finally gives us great defensive depth, just like Fernando will give us great midfield depth. Despite our success, the squad has been pretty unbalanced in places in recent years and we're finally dealing with that so don't need to go flogging one of just two regulars under the age of 25 in our first team squad.

All we need to do is sell the non-contributors like Richards and Sinclair and we should have over £50m to commit to a defender and goalkeeper.

 

[Davs 19]

Re: Centre-Back 3rd option

I assume you didnt watch him regularly in the high line system we play?

Nobody watched him 'regularly' last season. He made 13 appearances and spent the majority of the season injured and he wasn't the only player to struggle.

So you've admitted that he struggled, a very good player in the right system. He doesn't suit a high line.

As did most of the team in the first few games. If you've been watching 'regularly', I'm sure you've noticed our 'high line' is a good few yards further back compared to the start of the season. Nasty's injuries and our need for a quick fix stopped us finding out whether he could adapt.


I have no idea why some people think this is a forum to try and prove how right they are and how wrong others are.

Hey ho :)

 

[BlueCityfan]

Not to mention that Nastasic will qualify for the B-list in next seasons CL squad which is an immense help because of the squad restrictions. It baffles me that in a squad were most players are in their prime age (26-31), some people would be ready to trade one of the clubs most promising young prospects to make the squad even older.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Any chance we can merge the threads please Mods so as we're not having two conversations and hopefully no dimwit will make another..... ta
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[George Hannah]

Any chance we can merge the threads please Mods so as we're not having two conversations and hopefully no dimwit will make another..... ta
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could we have a thread purely for this poster's suggestions?

 

[Mancitybluemoon1]

Not to mention that Nastasic will qualify for the B-list in next seasons CL squad which is an immense help because of the squad restrictions. It baffles me that in a squad were most players are in their prime age (26-31), some people would be ready to trade one of the clubs most promising young prospects to make the squad even older.

What we cant forget in all this, is that we have a new manager and a new system........what was a good fit for past managers doesn't mean he will be a good fit for this one.....I agree, we cant give up on Nastasic but I do believe he isnt the best fit for us and we should only be looking at him as a backup this season....

 

[FantasyIreland]

Any chance we can merge the threads please Mods so as we're not having two conversations and hopefully no dimwit will make another..... ta
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could we have a thread purely for this poster's suggestions?

Talking of dimwits,evening;-)