CFG Expansion | Başakşehir to join? (p70)

KS55 said:
Yes, but it’s peanuts really.
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There’s probably loads more adding up to mid eight figures, not at all to be sniffed at
But until all these clubs all over the planet produce a single player good enough to play for City it is probably still hard to declare it a real success. Red Bull have already graduated a few from Austria to their Bundesliga team
 
The primary goal should be finding these Endrick kids first before any of Europe are sniffing around and getting them at Bahia. Not only does that help them domestically, it gives us control of their future. We can have a serious conveyor belt of both talented kids with potential to play for us and profitable kids we can pump out to Europe to pay for our transfers coming through Brazil if it's done right. This has by far the biggest potential benefit to city of all the CFG clubs with the talent in Brazil.
 
LongsightM13 said:
There’s probably loads more adding up to mid eight figures, not at all to be sniffed at
But until all these clubs all over the planet produce a single player good enough to play for City it is probably still hard to declare it a real success. Red Bull have already graduated a few from Austria to their Bundesliga team
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The question is whether CFG has an objective to produce players for City. I am increasingly concerned by Soriano wearing two hats. Nothing serious at the mo but just an uneasy feeling. The need for a return on the investment requires some CFG clubs to look to their own success, not City’s.
 
LongsightM13 said:
There’s probably loads more adding up to mid eight figures, not at all to be sniffed at
But until all these clubs all over the planet produce a single player good enough to play for City it is probably still hard to declare it a real success. Red Bull have already graduated a few from Austria to their Bundesliga team
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CFG club is not satellite club for City, it's very disrepectfull eventhough currently City is the main club of the group right now.

Some of the club takes from our club as inspiration like for example NYCFC but others have their own proud history before joining CFG like recent acquisition Bahia.

CFG already is success, creating global network to unveil talent is already enough sucess imo.
 
KS55 said:
The question is whether CFG has an objective to produce players for City. I am increasingly concerned by Soriano wearing two hats. Nothing serious at the mo but just an uneasy feeling. The need for a return on the investment requires some CFG clubs to look to their own success, not City’s.
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Not sure I share the unease tbh. Sister clubs being feeder clubs for City would seriously undervalue the group as a whole. The objective is presumably to have clubs that are successful in their own countries and in their own right. Not sure why that's a problem?

It will be interesting to see if Soriano and his football management team stays at the CFG level, or whether they get shunted down to "Midco" at some point, now they own all the football operations.
 
ninjamonkey said:
The primary goal should be finding these Endrick kids first before any of Europe are sniffing around and getting them at Bahia. Not only does that help them domestically, it gives us control of their future. We can have a serious conveyor belt of both talented kids with potential to play for us and profitable kids we can pump out to Europe to pay for our transfers coming through Brazil if it's done right. This has by far the biggest potential benefit to city of all the CFG clubs with the talent in Brazil.
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CFG will definitely do that in Bahia. The first step is trying to hire João Paulo Sampaio as Head of Youth Development. He is the guy who has built such a conveyor belt in Palmeiras to discover talented kids like Endrick and others. CFG has already opened talks with Sampaio, but signing him won't be easy, since his contract with Palmeiras has a huge release fee, and he's also received a proposal by CBF to be the Head of Youth Development of all Brazilian National youth teams. On the other hand, Sampaio is native of Salvador and is said to be a Bahia supporter before working on professional football. So, let's see if CFG can pull that out.

here's Sampaio profile in FM 2023, if you are interested

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-ma...oao-paulo-sampaio-joao-paulo-ferreira-sampaio
 
Kamaro011 said:
CFG club is not satellite club for City, it's very disrepectfull eventhough currently City is the main club of the group right now.

Some of the club takes from our club as inspiration like for example NYCFC but others have their own proud history before joining CFG like recent acquisition Bahia.

CFG already is success, creating global network to unveil talent is already enough sucess imo.
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It’s literally called the City football group. Some of the clubs were created and didn’t exist beforehand. Some have changed their names and their colours to sky blue. Some have adopted versions of our badge
Absolute nonsense to suggest MCFC aren’t at the very top of the pyramid with the best players in the best team in the best league
 
LongsightM13 said:
It’s literally called the City football group. Some of the clubs were created and didn’t exist beforehand. Some have changed their names and their colours to sky blue. Some have adopted versions of our badge
Absolute nonsense to suggest MCFC aren’t at the very top of the pyramid with the best players in the best team in the best league
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It’s laughable that anybody could think that City are anything but the absolute pinnacle of the CFG.
 
LongsightM13 said:
It’s literally called the City football group. Some of the clubs were created and didn’t exist beforehand. Some have changed their names and their colours to sky blue. Some have adopted versions of our badge
Absolute nonsense to suggest MCFC aren’t at the very top of the pyramid with the best players in the best team in the best league
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But not every CFG club is named "City" and CFG is not forcing every club that joining must change the badge and name. Maybe earlier acquisition might be true because club is building from the scratch or have very short history. But later CFG acquistion more often than not already have long history before joining CFG. Suggesting CFG approach right now is not treating the club like it's satelite for City, unlike similar model like Red Bull Group.

Manchester City is the current chief club for the CFG right now, but there will always possibility even the chance is slim that in the future some Club like NYCFC will have near or same status like Manchester City if Football or Soccer become the main sport in US.
 
Kamaro011 said:
But not every CFG club is named "City" and CFG is not forcing every club that joining must change the badge and name. Maybe earlier acquisition might be true because club is building from the scratch or have very short history. But later CFG acquistion more often than not already have long history before joining CFG. Suggesting CFG approach right now is not treating the club like it's satelite for City, unlike similar model like Red Bull Group.

Manchester City is the current chief club for the CFG right now, but there will always possibility even the chance is slim that in the future some Club like NYCFC will have near or same status like Manchester City if Football or Soccer become the main sport in US.
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Soccer is never going to be the main sport in the US. Its absolutely light years from being on the same page as the others.
 
I don’t think the bosses measure the success of CFG by how many players end up at City they see the bigger picture how successful are all the clubs in their own right. It’s not a completely impossible for NYCFC and say the Clubs in the emerging markets to grow more quickly.

NYCFC have done much going for them growth of soccer people have gone off NFL and Baseball demo graphics a lots of people of Spanish descent a massive city a better economy increasing number of franchises a better link to the corporate finance and social media world

The clubs don’t exist just to serve city even if they benefit City
 
WRicko said:
I don’t think the bosses measure the success of CFG by how many players end up at City they see the bigger picture how successful are all the clubs in their own right. It’s not a completely impossible for NYCFC and say the Clubs in the emerging markets to grow more quickly.

NYCFC have done much going for them growth of soccer people have gone off NFL and Baseball demo graphics a lots of people of Spanish descent a massive city a better economy increasing number of franchises a better link to the corporate finance and social media world

The clubs don’t exist just to serve city even if they benefit City
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I think that's right. I doubt Mansour's ambitions for this "project" stop at City being successful, or even at on-field football. There will be some big changes in the next few years I think.
 
The goal of CFG is very simple, asset value speculation. Young players in Brazil could be worth many millions of pounds in the future. But until CFG bought Bahia they didn't have a local club they could sign under 18s to.
 
It will add a dimension to Bahia where players in Brazil will see a direct pathway to European football through CFG, via many clubs and dangle the carrot of Manchester City in Europe's top leagues.

Troyes are training at the City Academy. Girona play there soon. City Women have held high profile games over there and linked to women's clubs globally. The academy links and potential is substantial.

Whilst City were seen to have forced their identity onto Melbourne Hearts and Sichuan Jiuniu, they have since been much more engaging with clubs globally. Yokohama F. Marinos certainly have their character. New York City are distinct now too.

Be nice if we bid for Aberystwyth Town and a Scottish club.
 
New kit for newly promoted Bahia before the new Serie A season kicks in.
 

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