It wouldn't certainly be a good start. The downside would be, those that get refused asylum would still try to cross illegally and many would unfortunately still perish.
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Alan Harper's Tash
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Some might, but in much reduced numbers as they know as soon as they arrive that they could be immediately deported, whereas now, they are kept in camps/hotels awaiting their decision,It wouldn't certainly be a good start. The downside would be, those that get refused asylum would still try to cross illegally and many would unfortunately still perish.
PannickAtTheDisco
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not really, as the vast majority who would get turned down would still try to cross. Unless your answer is to let everyone in...If we set up a workable asylum system that acts quickly and humanely that would go a long way to resolving them - the UK broken Govt's system has in effect created the business of people smuggling. If there is a workable accessible system set up then nobody would need smugglers and the business model we have developed for them would be bust.
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Some might, but in much reduced numbers as they know as soon as they arrive that they could be immediately deported, whereas now, they are kept in camps/hotels awaiting their decision,
what would be the criteria needed for a successful application into the UK ?
would there ever be a limit on numbers ? Say thousands applying every day ?
I think it would be a good idea to treat people smugglers and migrants crossing as two seperate issues? Not sure on your view point and would welcome a healthy debate but I view these as 2 very different issues.If we set up a workable asylum system that acts quickly and humanely that would go a long way to resolving them - the UK broken Govt's system has in effect created the business of people smuggling. If there is a workable accessible system set up then nobody would need smugglers and the business model we have developed for them would be bust.
abu13
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I really despair at times, what a world we live in.
bluethrunthru
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not really, as the vast majority who would get turned down would still try to cross. Unless your answer is to let everyone in...
why are you scared of people who look, sound and practise a different religion to you?
It's a tragedy but.....
there you go...
The big issue here is that every view by government is very short term. they dont see the long term cost, the divisiveness and the way it makes the UK look.
Until there is a worldwide acceptance of the problem and an agreement for every country to "take their share" then you will have people traffickers making millions out of others misfortune.
What we are paying the French is never going to be enough and for every arrival the cost just slowly multiplies for the taxpayer.
Yes, you can look to tackle the trafficking and try and remove a little of the exploitation but you also need to do as AHT suggests and set up a system where claims can be made abroad.
Start with an amnesty and wipe clean the backlogs, create lawful, working people that can contribute to society...also taking money away from the leaching solicitors and saving the legal aid budget.
Stick the 50+million we are giving to the French into an asylum application centre in Northern France. If successful then welcome, if refused and you still seek to enter then automatic return to France.
The only winners at present are the OCGs making huge amounts
there you go...
The big issue here is that every view by government is very short term. they dont see the long term cost, the divisiveness and the way it makes the UK look.
Until there is a worldwide acceptance of the problem and an agreement for every country to "take their share" then you will have people traffickers making millions out of others misfortune.
What we are paying the French is never going to be enough and for every arrival the cost just slowly multiplies for the taxpayer.
Yes, you can look to tackle the trafficking and try and remove a little of the exploitation but you also need to do as AHT suggests and set up a system where claims can be made abroad.
Start with an amnesty and wipe clean the backlogs, create lawful, working people that can contribute to society...also taking money away from the leaching solicitors and saving the legal aid budget.
Stick the 50+million we are giving to the French into an asylum application centre in Northern France. If successful then welcome, if refused and you still seek to enter then automatic return to France.
The only winners at present are the OCGs making huge amounts
metalblue
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We could set up a system where refugees can seek asylum before setting foot in the U.K..
This would stop a lot of these crossings and horrific deaths.
I do think this is the best thing we can do.
We have to break this cycle somehow or more people will die in horrific circumstances.
I'm sure he can argue his own point but how did you come to that conclusion from what was written?why are you scared of people who look, sound and practise a different religion to you?