Channel deaths | Four confirmed dead after migrant boat tragically capsizes (p 41)

You are aware that over the last few years more people have left the UK than arrived here? Might explain our labour shortage.
And the correct question to ask you is....So where did they go and how did they get there?
As most of those leaving this country probably returned to their original EU country or emigrated via traditional routes by applying for visas for their chosen destination.

Should you or I simply be able to decide that say for 6 months of the year we wish to live in the Bahamas and then maybe the rest of the year in Zurich? It cannot simply be down to choice for simple ecnomic reasons or on a whim.

Once you decide and agree that there has to be some form of immigration control you then have to look at the legal routes and how you enforce those rules. Without some form of enforcement then the rules are pointless.

Its sad to say that those poor people in that dinghy today were sold a dream, probably by smugglers who have realised it is more lucrative and less risky to smuggle people than drugs. the penalties are less stringent and they have willing accomplices spurred on by their personal desperation.

When dealing with peoples lives it almost seems immoral to point a number on it, but i think there does need to be a number that the UK says we will accept each year. Get people to register whether it be for some sort of "lottery" as the USA used to do, or for some sort of Humanitarian scheme.

Whilst doing this at Embassies or at centres in Northern France/Belgium, there would not doubt be concern from those in those places. This being due to them being required to provide biographical details at the time of any application. The risk being, that they get turned down and then the UK can then prove that they have actually been in those countries and so can actually be returned there, more under Chicago rather than now the defunct (for us) Dublin rules.

Forget the blame game...change the game...clear the backlog by granting residence to all those currently in the system. Open asylum registration centres outside UK and focus resources on the smugglers and removal of those who do not go through the new "humanitarian" route
 
I always think this presentation hits home, while immigration is needed it is more beneficial to help develop the countries where people are leaving to give them better living standards.



I agree with that. Which is why the ops idea of no borders makes no sense. It ruins the countries they are coming from.
 
errrr - not sure how up to date you are with events but the answer to that question is NO. If we could the unemployed and vacancies figures would already be closer wouldn't they?
To quote "A sane country which faces a shortage of people to fill vacant posts". So, you're saying open the borders and let them in with open arms to fill the vacancies but we have 1.5 million unemployed. We don't have zero unemployment and 1.5 million vacancies? You're correct though, I don't know the current level of job vacancies
 
And the correct question to ask you is....So where did they go and how did they get there?
As most of those leaving this country probably returned to their original EU country or emigrated via traditional routes by applying for visas for their chosen destination.

Should you or I simply be able to decide that say for 6 months of the year we wish to live in the Bahamas and then maybe the rest of the year in Zurich? It cannot simply be down to choice for simple ecnomic reasons or on a whim.

Once you decide and agree that there has to be some form of immigration control you then have to look at the legal routes and how you enforce those rules. Without some form of enforcement then the rules are pointless.

Its sad to say that those poor people in that dinghy today were sold a dream, probably by smugglers who have realised it is more lucrative and less risky to smuggle people than drugs. the penalties are less stringent and they have willing accomplices spurred on by their personal desperation.

When dealing with peoples lives it almost seems immoral to point a number on it, but i think there does need to be a number that the UK says we will accept each year. Get people to register whether it be for some sort of "lottery" as the USA used to do, or for some sort of Humanitarian scheme.

Whilst doing this at Embassies or at centres in Northern France/Belgium, there would not doubt be concern from those in those places. This being due to them being required to provide biographical details at the time of any application. The risk being, that they get turned down and then the UK can then prove that they have actually been in those countries and so can actually be returned there, more under Chicago rather than now the defunct (for us) Dublin rules.

Forget the blame game...change the game...clear the backlog by granting residence to all those currently in the system. Open asylum registration centres outside UK and focus resources on the smugglers and removal of those who do not go through the new "humanitarian" route
But its not correct, there has been more people in than out every year since 1964 statitica don't publish beyond that
 
I am old enough to remember when we were in the Dublin Agreement ( about a year ago ) when most of the arguments against applied and old enough to remember when the RNLI were the problem ( about 3 months ago ) I am even old enough to remember when it was clamed in the run up to the referendum that warnings were out there that the French wouldn't stop people crossing the channel because once out of French jurisdiction they were no longer an EU "problem". Of course that was shouted down as pert of project fear.
 
I expect this debate will quickly be monopolised by the no immigration at all Vs no immigration controls lunatics.
I think the problem needs to be tackled on many fronts - global poverty, our own foreign policy, trafficking, processing of applicants and control/repatriation where appropriate all need to be better.
While I'm not blaming the French for this, it is worth noting how quickly they found and arrested some traffickers today when they could actually be arsed to do so.....
 
I always think this presentation hits home, while immigration is needed it is more beneficial to help develop the countries where people are leaving to give them better living standards.


First line: "Some people say that mass immigration into the United States can help reduce world poverty."

Who has ever said that?
 
Awful tragedy, these people are just trying to find better lives for themselves and their families. The British and French governments need to find a solution to the problem, rather than just blaming each other.

Is France that bad?
 

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