Cheating Refs

[Gabriel]

The axiom that 'these things even themselves out over the season' is utter tripe. Unless you go on the front foot in England, and actually criticize the referees and their incompetence, you leave yourself wide open to abuse. Rodgers is no mug and has royally abused his position this year, as he knows, just like Mourinho, that that little irritating bit of sand might just be enough to swing a key decision your way.

 

[Jimfv1]

All this talk about City getting a goal against Southampton from a clear offside seems to overlook the fact we won 4-1, not by one goal.
When we beat Newcastle their goal was ruled out and yet we still won 3-1, so their other goal would have still resulted in a City win.

Our players have been given cards for one bad tackle and yet other clubs get away with kicking lumps out of Zabaleta, Nasri, Aguero and Silva.

We are being victimised for keeping silent about the refereeing injustices against us. If the result yesterday had been against the rags while Fergie was still there then the back pages would all say that the result was an injustice. We aren't the only team to suffer this though, because the Chelsea - ManU game last season was also a farce.

Yesterday Suarez should have been sent off, and the result could have gone either way. The challenge by Sakho on Dzeko was a penalty, even Carragher said so. After Suarez should have been sent off then Suarez could have had a penalty against Kompany. The Silva and Milner incidents looked marginal, and I'm not surprised neither were given.

The two Skrtel incidents were nailed on penalties, but in real time they were hard to call, however if Liverpool had been down to ten then we could easily have won the match.

Kompany's mistake gifted Liverpool their winner, and I also believe our players and management/coaching team are naïve about playing certain games. We didn't setup to contain Liverpool and their fast starts early on in games, we keep playing a high line which gets opposed in games like this one and like the Wigan game. It took 2/3's of the season before Pellegrini played one up top in difficult away games and that was when it was forced. Tactically I think Pellers is found wanting at times, Why not play a midfield 3 in certain games or 4-5-1 if required. A draw would have been a fair result yesterday but it could have been the turning point in the title race. It isn't just the ref at fault, because most of us expected a similar result to what happened. We play nice football, and are entertaining to watch, however the manager and players should at times concentrate on the result first and entertain afterwards.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

This thread could have been written 2 days ago.

We KNEW once appointed what would happen.

As Mancini used to say only this .
How he got appointed for this game with all his previous with Liverpool really stinks to high heaven.

You need to ask?

He was appointed entirely due to his previous.

What Previous?...He had reffed us 28 times and we had lost only twice
He had reffed the dippers 18 times and they had lost on 4 occasions

I cant see him having it in for us looking at them stats
Its hard to argue against him having a poor game yesterday though.....

 

[jay_mcfc]

i was thinking the other day as Silva was 5 yards offiside to lay it on for Nasri to score that refs are bent


swings and roundabouts

and the same people who call for Clattenbergs death are probably posting in the "bricked coaches" thread calling Liverpool fans scum

we really have reached a tipping point , ive said this on here previously, We as City fans (talking as a collective) are finding it hard to handle success and the pressure of that success ,its brought out the worst in some people and its not going to get better

other teams have 11 players on the pitch trying to win or stop us winning, there are only 3 domestic trophies you can win each year, they are not handed out at the beginning of the season.


be a fan but dont be fantical .

we need calm, we need reflection and we need to shut the fuck up with Agenda shit and calling for deaths of other people

One offside call in a game we won by three goals does not excuse three absolutely blatant decisions not being given in a game that was pretty close to a title decider.

I don't believe in agendas, there were a couple of opportunities for Clattenberg to give penalties for Liverpool if he was bent but what he was was soft as shit. How can you not give Suarez a second yellow. He has zero defence on that one and the two penalties were as blatant as penalties can be. But as De Niro said we KNEW days ago this would happen. We'd have needed someone to be decapitated before we got a penalty and that isn't right.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

All this talk about City getting a goal against Southampton from a clear offside seems to overlook the fact we won 4-1, not by one goal.
When we beat Newcastle their goal was ruled out and yet we still won 3-1, so their other goal would have still resulted in a City win.

Our players have been given cards for one bad tackle and yet other clubs get away with kicking lumps out of Zabaleta, Nasri, Aguero and Silva.

We are being victimised for keeping silent about the refereeing injustices against us. If the result yesterday had been against the rags while Fergie was still there then the back pages would all say that the result was an injustice. We aren't the only team to suffer this though, because the Chelsea - ManU game last season was also a farce.

Yesterday Suarez should have been sent off, and the result could have gone either way. The challenge by Sakho on Dzeko was a penalty, even Carragher said so. After Suarez should have been sent off then Suarez could have had a penalty against Kompany. The Silva and Milner incidents looked marginal, and I'm not surprised neither were given.

The two Skrtel incidents were nailed on penalties, but in real time they were hard to call, however if Liverpool had been down to ten then we could easily have won the match.

Kompany's mistake gifted Liverpool their winner, and I also believe our players and management/coaching team are naïve about playing certain games. We didn't setup to contain Liverpool and their fast starts early on in games, we keep playing a high line which gets opposed in games like this one and like the Wigan game. It took 2/3's of the season before Pellegrini played one up top in difficult away games and that was when it was forced. Tactically I think Pellers is found wanting at times, Why not play a midfield 3 in certain games or 4-5-1 if required. A draw would have been a fair result yesterday but it could have been the turning point in the title race. It isn't just the ref at fault, because most of us expected a similar result to what happened. We play nice football, and are entertaining to watch, however the manager and players should at times concentrate on the result first and entertain afterwards.

I think this is where we have come unstuck most this season. We need to grind out results against certain teams or adopt the approach that we are taking back what we came with - one point and a clean sheet. Remember the Arse match a season or two ago? There are teams that you can play open attractive football against and there are teams that require a more waterproof approach. Although we shouldn't have lost against the likes of Cardiff, Villa or Sunderland. Nine points there and we are top with some slack!!

 

[Matty]

All this talk about City getting a goal against Southampton from a clear offside seems to overlook the fact we won 4-1, not by one goal.
When we beat Newcastle their goal was ruled out and yet we still won 3-1, so their other goal would have still resulted in a City win.

Our players have been given cards for one bad tackle and yet other clubs get away with kicking lumps out of Zabaleta, Nasri, Aguero and Silva.

We are being victimised for keeping silent about the refereeing injustices against us. If the result yesterday had been against the rags while Fergie was still there then the back pages would all say that the result was an injustice. We aren't the only team to suffer this though, because the Chelsea - ManU game last season was also a farce.

Yesterday Suarez should have been sent off, and the result could have gone either way. The challenge by Sakho on Dzeko was a penalty, even Carragher said so. After Suarez should have been sent off then Suarez could have had a penalty against Kompany. The Silva and Milner incidents looked marginal, and I'm not surprised neither were given.

The two Skrtel incidents were nailed on penalties, but in real time they were hard to call, however if Liverpool had been down to ten then we could easily have won the match.

Kompany's mistake gifted Liverpool their winner, and I also believe our players and management/coaching team are naïve about playing certain games. We didn't setup to contain Liverpool and their fast starts early on in games, we keep playing a high line which gets opposed in games like this one and like the Wigan game. It took 2/3's of the season before Pellegrini played one up top in difficult away games and that was when it was forced. Tactically I think Pellers is found wanting at times, Why not play a midfield 3 in certain games or 4-5-1 if required. A draw would have been a fair result yesterday but it could have been the turning point in the title race. It isn't just the ref at fault, because most of us expected a similar result to what happened. We play nice football, and are entertaining to watch, however the manager and players should at times concentrate on the result first and entertain afterwards.

Rightly or wrongly that's not what we're trying to do. Mancini was all about the result, he wanted to win, but exactly how he achieved that he didn't care too much. The regime we have in place, from owner down to footballing directors and then to the manager want to win, but they want to do so "the right way" which, for them, means whilst playing expansive, entertaining, attacking football. You may not agree with that approach or philosophy, but it's there and we need to live with it. At times it may cost us as a more pragmatic approach may be more beneficial, but I'd rather watch us play the way we do than play the way Chelsea do (who may well still do the league and Champion's League double).

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

All this talk about City getting a goal against Southampton from a clear offside seems to overlook the fact we won 4-1, not by one goal.
When we beat Newcastle their goal was ruled out and yet we still won 3-1, so their other goal would have still resulted in a City win.

Our players have been given cards for one bad tackle and yet other clubs get away with kicking lumps out of Zabaleta, Nasri, Aguero and Silva.

We are being victimised for keeping silent about the refereeing injustices against us. If the result yesterday had been against the rags while Fergie was still there then the back pages would all say that the result was an injustice. We aren't the only team to suffer this though, because the Chelsea - ManU game last season was also a farce.

Yesterday Suarez should have been sent off, and the result could have gone either way. The challenge by Sakho on Dzeko was a penalty, even Carragher said so. After Suarez should have been sent off then Suarez could have had a penalty against Kompany. The Silva and Milner incidents looked marginal, and I'm not surprised neither were given.

The two Skrtel incidents were nailed on penalties, but in real time they were hard to call, however if Liverpool had been down to ten then we could easily have won the match.

Kompany's mistake gifted Liverpool their winner, and I also believe our players and management/coaching team are naïve about playing certain games. We didn't setup to contain Liverpool and their fast starts early on in games, we keep playing a high line which gets opposed in games like this one and like the Wigan game. It took 2/3's of the season before Pellegrini played one up top in difficult away games and that was when it was forced. Tactically I think Pellers is found wanting at times, Why not play a midfield 3 in certain games or 4-5-1 if required. A draw would have been a fair result yesterday but it could have been the turning point in the title race. It isn't just the ref at fault, because most of us expected a similar result to what happened. We play nice football, and are entertaining to watch, however the manager and players should at times concentrate on the result first and entertain afterwards.

Rightly or wrongly that's not what we're trying to do. Mancini was all about the result, he wanted to win, but exactly how he achieved that he didn't care too much. The regime we have in place, from owner down to footballing directors and then to the manager want to win, but they want to do so "the right way" which, for them, means whilst playing expansive, entertaining, attacking football. You may not agree with that approach or philosophy, but it's there and we need to live with it. At times it may cost us as a more pragmatic approach may be more beneficial, but I'd rather watch us play the way we do than play the way Chelsea do (who may well still do the league and Champion's League double).

So would I but yesterday was a bit of a predictable first 30 mins and I don't think enough of our players have the necessary workrate and desire when the going gets tough. Nasri and Navas spring to mind

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

You cannot defend the indefensible. The Suarez dive has to be either seen as a foul by Demi or a dive. No free kick was given therefore it is a blatant dive which results in a yellow. The lunge on Dzeko was reckless and a pen should have been given and the hack on Silva and the handball were both nailed on pens. Twatenburg always has been a poor ref and my heart sank when I heard he was the ref. Let's now hope that Norwich can somehow nick a point and Chelsea can do something.

 

[Matty]

All this talk about City getting a goal against Southampton from a clear offside seems to overlook the fact we won 4-1, not by one goal.
When we beat Newcastle their goal was ruled out and yet we still won 3-1, so their other goal would have still resulted in a City win.

Our players have been given cards for one bad tackle and yet other clubs get away with kicking lumps out of Zabaleta, Nasri, Aguero and Silva.

We are being victimised for keeping silent about the refereeing injustices against us. If the result yesterday had been against the rags while Fergie was still there then the back pages would all say that the result was an injustice. We aren't the only team to suffer this though, because the Chelsea - ManU game last season was also a farce.

Yesterday Suarez should have been sent off, and the result could have gone either way. The challenge by Sakho on Dzeko was a penalty, even Carragher said so. After Suarez should have been sent off then Suarez could have had a penalty against Kompany. The Silva and Milner incidents looked marginal, and I'm not surprised neither were given.

The two Skrtel incidents were nailed on penalties, but in real time they were hard to call, however if Liverpool had been down to ten then we could easily have won the match.

Kompany's mistake gifted Liverpool their winner, and I also believe our players and management/coaching team are naïve about playing certain games. We didn't setup to contain Liverpool and their fast starts early on in games, we keep playing a high line which gets opposed in games like this one and like the Wigan game. It took 2/3's of the season before Pellegrini played one up top in difficult away games and that was when it was forced. Tactically I think Pellers is found wanting at times, Why not play a midfield 3 in certain games or 4-5-1 if required. A draw would have been a fair result yesterday but it could have been the turning point in the title race. It isn't just the ref at fault, because most of us expected a similar result to what happened. We play nice football, and are entertaining to watch, however the manager and players should at times concentrate on the result first and entertain afterwards.

Rightly or wrongly that's not what we're trying to do. Mancini was all about the result, he wanted to win, but exactly how he achieved that he didn't care too much. The regime we have in place, from owner down to footballing directors and then to the manager want to win, but they want to do so "the right way" which, for them, means whilst playing expansive, entertaining, attacking football. You may not agree with that approach or philosophy, but it's there and we need to live with it. At times it may cost us as a more pragmatic approach may be more beneficial, but I'd rather watch us play the way we do than play the way Chelsea do (who may well still do the league and Champion's League double).

So would I but yesterday was a bit of a predictable first 30 mins and I don't think enough of our players have the necessary workrate and desire when the going gets tough. Nasri and Navas spring to mind

Playing Navas was a tactical blunder by Pellegrini in my mind. Yesterday was tailor made for James Milner, his creativity combined with his workrate was what we required, and this was proven when he came on as this was a turning point in the match, he played really well and gave Liverpool problems down their left. Navas isn't the kind of footballer who is going to get stuck and work to the degree that Milner is.

I'd have started Nasri too if I'm honest, yes you suffer with the workrate over someone like Garcia, but the interplay between Silva and Nasri in the second half was a big part of the reason we got ourselves back into the match. In any rate, with Toure lasting just 20 minutes or so, that point is kind of moot as even if we'd started Garcia we'd have likely brought Nasri on then to replace Toure.

 

[levets]

We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.

We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury time

Come off it mate, the Dzeko pen can't be stone wall. Dezko successfully hurdled the challenge and then threw himself to the floor. Had he just allowed himself to be clattered, then it would doubtless have been given, but he didn't. It could have been given, but I could see why it wasn't and no way was it "stone wall'".

The Skyrtel handball was missed by 40,000 people, including all the City fans. So that's not a stone wall pen either. And the Silva one, was arguably a foul by Silva.

I am not saying none of them were pens, and perhaps we should have had one. But Vinny's manhandling of Suarez in the box went unpunished and could easily have been given.

I have no beef about the refereeing really, other than perhaps not sending Jaws off for diving, But how often do you see that happen? We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.

We lost this because we allowed ourselves to go 2-0 down by playing like complete dicks for the first 35 minutes and then gifting them the winner. The ref didn't help us, but he didn't need to help them, we lost it all on our own.

We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.
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One of ours did... Corradi at OT

 

[aidyblu76]

Can anybody tell me why I can't find yesterday's post match thread? I was reading it last night and posted a couple of things on it but can't find it this morning

 

[Chippy_boy]

Incidentally, here's the "stone wall" Silva penalty, which is clearly actually a foul by Silva.

 

[Bluep*ss]

It was obvious to me that as the game progressed that Twattenburgh was playing the occasion - I.E." I am not going to spoil the Hillsborough Anniversary".--I am going to "bottle it" and not give any pens. or send Suarez off - but as it is in added time I can send off Henderson for a straight red.
"The ref. adjudicator will understand my decision and give me high marks."
Silva played well but Jimmy was the turn around. Demichellis was splendid throughout and Fern needs to see a doctor as he seems to have a problem with his reaction time. Suarez gets the Oscar and Clatterbug needs to see the wizard of oz as he was a bit like the tin man. Mind you, it was a bit of a cauldron. Vinnie I thought was at fault for the first as well as the third.

 

[BigOscar]

According to the ever reliable and not at all a twat, Graham Poll, Clattenburg had a "Superb" game, other than not sending Suarez off and not giving the Dzeko and Skrtel handball penalties (his opinion on the decisions, not mine). Only missing 3 huge decisions is apparently "superb" by Graham Polls standards, which kind of sums up his refereeing career tbh

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Poor refereeing doesn't just alter the outcome of a game. There are millions of pounds at risk with each teams final table standings, with relegated clubs facing potential oblivion. The sooner that the FA/FL/EPL/UEFA/FIFA get up to speed and introduce technology to assist the officials, the better, and then the game can deal with such incompetence.

 

[inbetween]

The most annoying thing with this is the decisions Liverpool have had go there way which single handedly won them points. You could argue we got a decision against Southampton but we won 4-1, that was 1 goal. Not bothered about penalties but Suarez should never of been on the pitch, Garcia made his first tackle after coming on and was booked yet Suarez got away with 2/3 CLEAR dives on a yellow. Had that been Balotelli I have no doubt whatsoever he'd of been sent off as soon as they could possibly manage it, there is clear bias there and the ref has basically made up the rules to suit the game which is wrong.

What effect this has however is that Sturridge is injured for Liverpool and Suarez could score a 90th minute winner for them next week against Norwich which puts them another game closer to the title and Norwich another closer to relegation.... Clattenberg made a decision yesterday NOT to send Suarez off, he blew up the dive but never booked him. It is disgraceful officiating and he should be dealt with retrospectively the same as the players who also 'interpret' the rules differently.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It was obvious to me that as the game progressed that Twattenburgh was playing the occasion - I.E." I am not going to spoil the Hillsborough Anniversary".--I am going to "bottle it" and not give any pens. or send Suarez off - but as it is in added time I can send off Henderson for a straight red.
"The ref. adjudicator will understand my decision and give me high marks."
Silva played well but Jimmy was the turn around. Demichellis was splendid throughout and Fern needs to see a doctor as he seems to have a problem with his reaction time. Suarez gets the Oscar and Clatterbug needs to see the wizard of oz as he was a bit like the tin man. Mind you, it was a bit of a cauldron. Vinnie I thought was at fault for the first as well as the third.

And the 2nd. He was marking Skyrtel and just let him run 3 yards in front to get a clear header. Bad day at the orifice for Vinny I'm afraid.

Still, he is normally immense so I don't blame him. We were all praying he would play.

 

[BlueBarratt]

I recently finished my dissertation based around home bias in Premier League referees (studying Economics so I was looking at the reasons behind my findings). My results showed that referees are clearly affected by a larger home crowd to favour the home team, as well as hindering the away team. That is, the larger a home crowd, and therefore the more noise the crowd makes, the more likely a referee is to side with the home team when making a decision.

The reasons behind this have been suggested to be a 'subconscious desire to please others', meaning that, subconsciously, referees want home fans to be happy with their decision, and as such, don't want to make a decision that will upset the home crowd. So, in the event of some indecision on the part of a referee, he will, in the majority of cases, favour the home team. This can be seen as both the Sakho penalty and the Suarez dive, where Clattenburg had some amount of indecision, and therefore gave Liverpool (the home team) the benefit of the doubt.

I think this may have been made worse by the fact that Clattenburg does have history with the dippers, but I thought people might be interested to know that there is growing evidence being made available to the FA and other governing bodies that referees are not able to be impartial, and that games such as the one yesterday can be ruined because of it.

 

[LPoolFan]

;)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

;)

Look at that picture without your red glasses on. Suarez has played the ball and MDM is facing away from him. The cheating, biting, racist then throws himself over his trailing foot. Yes there may be contact but it has to have an element of intent to be a foul. The only intent in that incident was the cheat trying to, er, cheat.

You scouse winker. ;-)