Ched Evans - serious injury

[Ammy]

No.

He wouldn't pass CRB test.

Straight back at you ..... what job would you like Evans to do? You don't answer ...why?

He could wash my car.

....and you teach our young children. Fuck me.

I used to always love the fact I was blue but you are mental. Ex cons are only fit to wash your car?

No. He could rearrange my sock drawer too. With supervision.

 

[tidyman]

Let the poor guy get on with his life.

My heart just fucking bleeds for all the poor, hard done by rapists of this world.

 

[Ban-jani]

Let the poor guy get on with his life.

My heart just fucking bleeds for all the poor, hard done by rapists of this world.

He's not a rapist.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Let the poor guy get on with his life.

My heart just fucking bleeds for all the poor, hard done by rapists of this world.

He's not a rapist.

Was his appeal successful then.

 

[tidyman]

Let the poor guy get on with his life.

My heart just fucking bleeds for all the poor, hard done by rapists of this world.

He's not a rapist.

I suppose that depends on your definition of a rapist.

For me, someone convicted of rape, kind of fits in that category but I'm just an old boring traditionalist on things like this.

 

[RandomJ]

Let the poor guy get on with his life.

My heart just fucking bleeds for all the poor, hard done by rapists of this world.

He's not a rapist.

Well he was convicted by a jury in a court and served a prison sentence for being a rapist so yes he is a rapist.

 

[mcmanus]

He could wash my car.

....and you teach our young children. Fuck me.

I used to always love the fact I was blue but you are mental. Ex cons are only fit to wash your car?

No. He could rearrange my sock drawer too. With supervision.

My dad, grandad, sister and brother-in-law are teachers and not one would believe ex cons are only fit to sort out others sock drawer. How you come to this is fucking beyond me

 

[forevermancity]

He could wash my car.

....and you teach our young children. Fuck me.

I used to always love the fact I was blue but you are mental. Ex cons are only fit to wash your car?

No. He could rearrange my sock drawer too. With supervision.

Your a teacher? Teaching children?

Fuck me, no wonder the country is fucked

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Fuck me theres a bit of a difference in not being squeaky clean and being a convicted rapist.

Yes he was convicted of rape but do you understand the facts of the case? For one thing, the girl herself didn't report it as a rape. That's the conclusion the police came to from other evidence. Second, Evans & McDonald co-operated fully with the police whereas had they denied everything, the ironic likelihood is they wouldn't have been charged. Finally, the judge's summing up made it clear that girl was so drunk that she was incapable of giving consent. Yet McDonald was found not guilty whereas Evans was found guilty, so the jury clearly believed that she was capable of consent and by implication she gave that to McDonald.

Yes, Evans is a convicted rapist at the moment but you can certainly question the safety and nature of that conviction. For these reasons I'm uneasy about condemning him too much at the moment. However, the fact that he was convicted should have caused Sheffield United to think very carefully about how they handled it.

You don't seem able to get past the fact that the jury found him guilty yet cleared McDonald.

She spent time during the evening with McDonald. Then voluntarily went to a hotel room with him. He left by the main hotel entrance. Evans entered the hotel room without her consent or knowledge and made his exit via a fire escape.

Can you not see these actions might help lean a jury towards differing verdicts?

Juries are not infallible & have reached verdicts that hung or imprisoned quite a few people who were later proved to be entirely innocent. The verdict should have hung on what happened in that room & whether or not she had given consent or whether she was even capable of doing so. Anything else was purely circumstantial. She was already blind drunk when she met McDonald. She also claimed she couldn't remember anything that happened, not that she had given consent to McDonald and refused it to Evans. So that suggests to me that there could be reasonable doubt but, not having read the full transcript, it's difficult to be sure.

So I have my doubts about the reliability of the verdict but Evans has still been a monumental dickhead for doing what he did and, until such time it may be over-turned then I think Sheff Utd would have been better advised to keep a discreet distance.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Yes he was convicted of rape but do you understand the facts of the case? For one thing, the girl herself didn't report it as a rape. That's the conclusion the police came to from other evidence. Second, Evans & McDonald co-operated fully with the police whereas had they denied everything, the ironic likelihood is they wouldn't have been charged. Finally, the judge's summing up made it clear that girl was so drunk that she was incapable of giving consent. Yet McDonald was found not guilty whereas Evans was found guilty, so the jury clearly believed that she was capable of consent and by implication she gave that to McDonald.

Yes, Evans is a convicted rapist at the moment but you can certainly question the safety and nature of that conviction. For these reasons I'm uneasy about condemning him too much at the moment. However, the fact that he was convicted should have caused Sheffield United to think very carefully about how they handled it.

You don't seem able to get past the fact that the jury found him guilty yet cleared McDonald.

She spent time during the evening with McDonald. Then voluntarily went to a hotel room with him. He left by the main hotel entrance. Evans entered the hotel room without her consent or knowledge and made his exit via a fire escape.

Can you not see these actions might help lean a jury towards differing verdicts?

Juries are not infallible & have reached verdicts that hung or imprisoned quite a few people who were later proved to be entirely innocent. The verdict should have hung on what happened in that room & whether or not she had given consent or whether she was even capable of doing so. Anything else was purely circumstantial. She was already blind drunk when she met McDonald. She also claimed she couldn't remember anything that happened, not that she had given consent to McDonald and refused it to Evans. So that suggests to me that there could be reasonable doubt but, not having read the full transcript, it's difficult to be sure.

So I have my doubts about the reliability of the verdict but Evans has still been a monumental dickhead for doing what he did and, until such time it may be over-turned then I think Sheff Utd would have been better advised to keep a discreet distance.

It is very unlikely to get overturned as new evidence has to be put forward and at this stage the Evans case seems to be rehashing an argument they have made already.
This argument was considered by the police who decided to proceed, it was considered by the CPS who decided it was a worthy prosecution, it was put to a jury who decided he was guilty and it was put in front of an appeals court who also agreed. the odds are stacked incredibly against a rape conviction and for this to have gone through everything suggests it is a fairly open and shut case on balance and I think the quicker Evans accepts that and gets on with quietly rebuilding his life the better for him. The McDonald case Had a number of different facts.

Finally if sneaking into a room without consent to sleep with a 19 year old you haven't met and who is so drunk she vomited and wet the bed and couldn't remember anything (so couldn't possibly consent) isn't a crime then the law should be reviewed as it bloody well should be!

As for today well Evans should be able to work again he is free and that is his right. But equally it is the right of any supporter not to forgive and forget and not to want him at the club and it is the right of any sponsor not to want their brand tarnished by association with an unapologetic and unrepenting convicted rapist.

McManus he can go and do any job in my eyes you or I could that doesn't involve dealing with young women and that's fine but equally any club as with any other player can decide whether they want him or not and any fan can choose to be a vocal part of that decision

 

[Ban-jani]

My heart just fucking bleeds for all the poor, hard done by rapists of this world.

He's not a rapist.

Well he was convicted by a jury in a court and served a prison sentence for being a rapist so yes he is a rapist.

Plenty of people have been convicted who are innocent.

I think they've made an example of him. The whole case stinks.

He's a slime ball who cheated on his Mrs, nothing more.

 

[EalingBlue2]

He's not a rapist.

Well he was convicted by a jury in a court and served a prison sentence for being a rapist so yes he is a rapist.

Plenty of people have been convicted who are innocent.

I think they've made an example of him. The whole case stinks.

He's a slime ball who cheated on his Mrs, nothing more.

I suspect that for every innocent man convicted of rape there are a thousand men who are guilty of rape and go unconvicted. They say less than 1% of crimes ever result in a conviction for most crimes be that drink driving, robbery, rape etc the big exception being murder.

The legal system in the uk is set up in such a way to place the balance firmly in the benefit of the defendant and it is set up on the basis it is better to allow the guilty to go free than Imprison the innocent. So I think the whole basis of your comment is completely flawed as a logic.

As for him being a slime all who cheated on his mrs that's all comment neither the facts of the case, or the views of the police, cps, jury, judge or appeals process back up this opinion . I

 

[cyberblue]

Sheffield United have bowed to public opinion

I am sure it wont be long though before another club lets Ched Evans train with them

 

[EalingBlue2]

Re: Sheffield United have bowed to public opinion

I am sure it wont be long though before another club lets Ched Evans train with them

Honestly it should probably be millwall - a team everyone already hates, an oligarch owned team who don't care about the money so fans opinion and sponsors don't matter or a team in another country (though most don't allow work visas for people convicted of serious offences)

 

[Lancet Fluke]

We won't give in to mob rule, actually we will give in to mob rule. Spineless Yorkshire bastards.

 

[M18CTID]

We won't give in to mob rule, actually we will give in to mob rule. Spineless Yorkshire bastards.

It seems that way. To be honest, I think Sheffield United have been caught between a rock and a hard place here. From what I can gather they were letting him train with them after a request from the PFA, got huge criticism for it (most notably from some of their more high profile fans), and have received a load of bad publicity as a result of basically trying to accomodate a convicted criminal's right to rehabilitate himself after serving his sentence. Even if I didn't have any doubts about his conviction, I think they (Sheffield United) have been unfairly maligned here.

 

[M18CTID]

Re: Sheffield United have bowed to public opinion

I am sure it wont be long though before another club lets Ched Evans train with them

Honestly it should probably be millwall - a team everyone already hates, an oligarch owned team who don't care about the money so fans opinion and sponsors don't matter or a team in another country (though most don't allow work visas for people convicted of serious offences)

Leaving aside my doubts about his conviction, I'm sure Dave Whelan will be happy to give him a chance!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Sheffield United have bowed to public opinion

I am sure it wont be long though before another club lets Ched Evans train with them

Honestly it should probably be millwall - a team everyone already hates, an oligarch owned team who don't care about the money so fans opinion and sponsors don't matter or a team in another country (though most don't allow work visas for people convicted of serious offences)

Leaving aside my doubts about his conviction, I'm sure Dave Whelan will be happy to give him a chance!

You can just imagine Dopey Dave coming out with something like "This girl went out wearing a short skirt and got drunk and she got what she wanted. Ched's just a normal, healthy, red-blooded lad and he did what any of us would have done. I've know loads of women who've been raped and I don't think any less of them for that. That's just life and if they didn't complain and just got on with it there wouldn't be so much of a problem. By the way, did I ever tell you about the time I broke my leg at Wembley?"

 

[M18CTID]

Fuck me theres a bit of a difference in not being squeaky clean and being a convicted rapist.

Yes he was convicted of rape but do you understand the facts of the case? For one thing, the girl herself didn't report it as a rape. That's the conclusion the police came to from other evidence. Second, Evans & McDonald co-operated fully with the police whereas had they denied everything, the ironic likelihood is they wouldn't have been charged. Finally, the judge's summing up made it clear that girl was so drunk that she was incapable of giving consent. Yet McDonald was found not guilty whereas Evans was found guilty, so the jury clearly believed that she was capable of consent and by implication she gave that to McDonald.

Yes, Evans is a convicted rapist at the moment but you can certainly question the safety and nature of that conviction. For these reasons I'm uneasy about condemning him too much at the moment. However, the fact that he was convicted should have caused Sheffield United to think very carefully about how they handled it.

You don't seem able to get past the fact that the jury found him guilty yet cleared McDonald.

She spent time during the evening with McDonald. Then voluntarily went to a hotel room with him. He left by the main hotel entrance. Evans entered the hotel room without her consent or knowledge and made his exit via a fire escape.

Can you not see these actions might help lean a jury towards differing verdicts?

Yet the bit I've bolded didn't do Mike Tyson any favours did it? As much as I've got doubts about the Evans conviction, Tyson's comes across as even more dodgy and I wouldn't be surprised if the jury found him guilty based on his previous indiscretions.

As for the "implied consent" argument regarding McDonald, I certainly get where you're coming from but equally the judge's summing up seemed to focus more on something else and that was whether the complainant was too drunk to consent to sex with either of them, so surely this should've been either a case of both being convicted or both being acquitted.

 

[mac]

Re: Sheffield United have bowed to public opinion

Honestly it should probably be millwall - a team everyone already hates, an oligarch owned team who don't care about the money so fans opinion and sponsors don't matter or a team in another country (though most don't allow work visas for people convicted of serious offences)

Leaving aside my doubts about his conviction, I'm sure Dave Whelan will be happy to give him a chance!

You can just imagine Dopey Dave coming out with something like "This girl went out wearing a short skirt and got drunk and she got what she wanted. Ched's just a normal, healthy, red-blooded lad and he did what any of us would have done. I've know loads of women who've been raped and I don't think any less of them for that. That's just life and if they didn't complain and just got on with it there wouldn't be so much of a problem. By the way, did I ever tell you about the time I broke my leg at Wembley?"

I actually read that in a weird Dave whelan voice.lol