Ched Evans - serious injury

tidyman said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

He has nearly another two and half years left of his sentence.

You don't have to be squeaky clean to think rape is kind of a bit wrong.

Yep, he raped a woman. He didn't steal a loaf from Tescos.
 
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

Fuck me theres a bit of a difference in not being squeaky clean and being a convicted rapist.
 
Hes done a few things wrong since he's came out of prison. But hes basically serving another sentence now. What's the point in going to court and being sentenced, only to come out and be sentenced by the public. He may aswell move abroad, there's nothing for him here.
 
RandomJ said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

Fuck me theres a bit of a difference in not being squeaky clean and being a convicted rapist.
Yes he was convicted of rape but do you understand the facts of the case? For one thing, the girl herself didn't report it as a rape. That's the conclusion the police came to from other evidence. Second, Evans & McDonald co-operated fully with the police whereas had they denied everything, the ironic likelihood is they wouldn't have been charged. Finally, the judge's summing up made it clear that girl was so drunk that she was incapable of giving consent. Yet McDonald was found not guilty whereas Evans was found guilty, so the jury clearly believed that she was capable of consent and by implication she gave that to McDonald.

Yes, Evans is a convicted rapist at the moment but you can certainly question the safety and nature of that conviction. For these reasons I'm uneasy about condemning him too much at the moment. However, the fact that he was convicted should have caused Sheffield United to think very carefully about how they handled it.
 
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.
 
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.


It's not a case of 'what job would you allow a convicted rapist to do', more a case of whose moral compass would allow them to employ him. Nobody has any obligation to.
 
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?
 
Davs 19 said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.


It's not a case of 'what job would you allow a convicted rapist to do', more a case of whose moral compass would allow them to employ him. Nobody has any obligation to.

Don't fucking bullshit me.

What job should, if not a footballer, would you allow him to do?
 
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

You won't get any suggestions. If there was a job which involved having no contact with the public then that's the job for him. But as there isn't, he's buggered.
 
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?
So you would be happy to subsidise him on the dole rather than him paying £15k a week into the system?

Let the poor guy get on with his life.
 
mcmanus said:
Davs 19 said:
mcmanus said:
To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.


It's not a case of 'what job would you allow a convicted rapist to do', more a case of whose moral compass would allow them to employ him. Nobody has any obligation to.

Don't fucking bullshit me.

What job should, if not a footballer, would you allow him to do?



I wouldn't employ a rapist. Full, fucking stop.

Re-read my post carefully because I can't make it any simpler.

Legally, he can try to gain employment. Nobody has to employ him.

It's not complicated.
 
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?

No.

He wouldn't pass CRB test.

Straight back at you ..... what job would you like Evans to do? You don't answer ...why?
 
Manchester_lalala said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

You won't get any suggestions. If there was a job which involved having no contact with the public then that's the job for him. But as there isn't, he's buggered.
- particle physicist at the large hadron collider?
 
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?

No.

He wouldn't pass CRB test.

Straight back at you ..... what job would you like Evans to do? You don't answer ...why?

He could wash my car.
 
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?

To me it seems like a witch hunt.

Evans has done his time for having sex with a drunk girl. The law says he is a free man yet because he is a footballer who earns decent coin people want him punished even more and stop him getting on with his life.

Ammy I have asked this question to those who reckon he should never earn a wedge from football 'what job would you allow Ched to do?'

I've never had a reply so I doubt I will get one from you.

If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?

But he's not a teacher or a doctor and he does not work in a profession where vulnerable people depend on him. Also with his previous conviction there is no way he would be able to pursue a career in those fields so your logic doesn't make sense.

The fact that a media witch-hunt can make a mockery of the rehabilitation system sets a far more dangerous precedent than Evans being allowed to train again.
 
Davs 19 said:
mcmanus said:
Davs 19 said:
It's not a case of 'what job would you allow a convicted rapist to do', more a case of whose moral compass would allow them to employ him. Nobody has any obligation to.

Don't fucking bullshit me.

What job should, if not a footballer, would you allow him to do?



I wouldn't employ a rapist. Full, fucking stop.

Re-read my post carefully because I can't make it any simpler.

Legally, he can try to gain employment. Nobody has to employ him.

It's not complicated.

Yeah you're right there. What I don't like though, is the public basically giving him another sentence. He should of came out prison and got on with his normal life.
 
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?

No.

He wouldn't pass CRB test.

Straight back at you ..... what job would you like Evans to do? You don't answer ...why?

He could wash my car.

....and you teach our young children. Fuck me.

I used to always love the fact I was blue but you are mental. Ex cons are only fit to wash your car?
 
Ammy said:
mcmanus said:
Ammy said:
If he was a Teacher, or a Pre school worker, or a Doctor, or a Nurse, or a Lawyer or a therapist or...would you be happy for him to resume his career?

No.

He wouldn't pass CRB test.

Straight back at you ..... what job would you like Evans to do? You don't answer ...why?

He could wash my car.

He could be my footstool


I need one
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
RandomJ said:
mcmanus said:
160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

Fuck me theres a bit of a difference in not being squeaky clean and being a convicted rapist.
Yes he was convicted of rape but do you understand the facts of the case? For one thing, the girl herself didn't report it as a rape. That's the conclusion the police came to from other evidence. Second, Evans & McDonald co-operated fully with the police whereas had they denied everything, the ironic likelihood is they wouldn't have been charged. Finally, the judge's summing up made it clear that girl was so drunk that she was incapable of giving consent. Yet McDonald was found not guilty whereas Evans was found guilty, so the jury clearly believed that she was capable of consent and by implication she gave that to McDonald.

Yes, Evans is a convicted rapist at the moment but you can certainly question the safety and nature of that conviction. For these reasons I'm uneasy about condemning him too much at the moment. However, the fact that he was convicted should have caused Sheffield United to think very carefully about how they handled it.

You don't seem able to get past the fact that the jury found him guilty yet cleared McDonald.

She spent time during the evening with McDonald. Then voluntarily went to a hotel room with him. He left by the main hotel entrance. Evans entered the hotel room without her consent or knowledge and made his exit via a fire escape.

Can you not see these actions might help lean a jury towards differing verdicts?
 

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