Ched Evans - serious injury

[mcmanus]

That's a fair observation, but it's perhaps also because Heaton is perceived to have less at stake in terms of corporate sponsorship as in the case of Ennis-Hill, or as less of a rank hypocrite as in the case of Webster.

So because JEH has sponsers and is high profile she should just stay quiet?

I'm simply trotting out the most cynical line available. Ennis-Hill is well within her rights to put her name to, or withdraw it from, anything she chooses. Likewise Webster, though quite frankly she now looks a complete imbecile. For me, Heaton's statement is very well judged: moderate, fair and impartial without sitting on the fence.

I read Heaton's statement as I accept Evans has served his punishment and deserves a second chance but just not at my favourite team so should be someone else's problem.

 

[johnny on the spot]

So because JEH has sponsers and is high profile she should just stay quiet?

I'm simply trotting out the most cynical line available. Ennis-Hill is well within her rights to put her name to, or withdraw it from, anything she chooses. Likewise Webster, though quite frankly she now looks a complete imbecile. For me, Heaton's statement is very well judged: moderate, fair and impartial without sitting on the fence.

I read Heaton's statement as I accept Evans has served his punishment and deserves a second chance but just not at my favourite team so should be someone else's problem.

Which I suppose is the equivalent cynicism. For my money though I do buy Heaton's reason as more than passing the buck.

Who knows where Evans goes from here. He'll get roundly barracked up and down the country, so perhaps a move abroad might be worth considering.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

So because JEH has sponsers and is high profile she should just stay quiet?

I'm simply trotting out the most cynical line available. Ennis-Hill is well within her rights to put her name to, or withdraw it from, anything she chooses. Likewise Webster, though quite frankly she now looks a complete imbecile. For me, Heaton's statement is very well judged: moderate, fair and impartial without sitting on the fence.

I read Heaton's statement as I accept Evans has served his punishment and deserves a second chance but just not at my favourite team so should be someone else's problem.

I used to know Paul a bit a good few years back. He was a regular at my local when his wife was doing nurse training. By coincidence, I didn't give him a game for my Sunday team.

He always spoke as he saw things and it is obvious that The Blades have handled this badly. Why be an ambassador for a Club you have lost faith with! Paul's profile and looks doesn't compare with Jess Ennis or Sky reporters so it is natural that his resignation would be lower key.

 

[moomba]

Interesting Heaton resigning has not provoked the same shitty reaction that the ladies doing the same thing did,i bet he doesn't get abuse on here or on twitter

It wasnt the same thing though was it?

 

[EalingBlue2]

So because JEH has sponsers and is high profile she should just stay quiet?

I'm simply trotting out the most cynical line available. Ennis-Hill is well within her rights to put her name to, or withdraw it from, anything she chooses. Likewise Webster, though quite frankly she now looks a complete imbecile. For me, Heaton's statement is very well judged: moderate, fair and impartial without sitting on the fence.

I read Heaton's statement as I accept Evans has served his punishment and deserves a second chance but just not at my favourite team so should be someone else's problem.

That is disingenuous - he said that he deserves another chance but not at the club he cost millions, not at the club whose reputation he put in the gutter and not at the club whose fans he badly let down. I think that is a very fair point Sheffield United owe him nothing.

As for the nonsense on here about Jessica Ennius - why should she stand by and support a rapist? Why should she potentially give up her income to support a rapist? Why should she do anything other than heavily condemn and publicly stand against the crime of rape? I think it is entirely her right to say what she thinks and what she believes.

Sponsors too - with public opinion as it is why should a sponsor tarnish its brand, potentially damage its profitability and potentially even risk the jobs of its own workers to stand up for a rapist going back to the team he disgraced and damaged.

Ched Evans deserves a second chance as does anyone when they serve their time, I don't think he will get it till he accepts what he did and moves on with life and he has to decide that. When he does get a second chance if he has even half a brain cell it will be well away from Sheffield or North Wales .

 

[kaz7]

Interesting Heaton resigning has not provoked the same shitty reaction that the ladies doing the same thing did,i bet he doesn't get abuse on here or on twitter

It wasnt the same thing though was it?

All of them object to him playing again and have backed up their feelings with appropriate action for them.So far the ladies are the only ones to get abuse for it,that is my real point

 

[moomba]

Interesting Heaton resigning has not provoked the same shitty reaction that the ladies doing the same thing did,i bet he doesn't get abuse on here or on twitter

It wasnt the same thing though was it?

All of them object to him playing again and have backed up their feelings with appropriate action for them.So far the ladies are the only ones to get abuse for it,that is my real point

I don't think anyone deserves abuse over it. But I don't consider the three the same circumstances. My criticism of the two was based on their threats, and the public nature (grandstanding) of them. Not their gender.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Interesting Heaton resigning has not provoked the same shitty reaction that the ladies doing the same thing did,i bet he doesn't get abuse on here or on twitter

It wasnt the same thing though was it?

All of them object to him playing again and have backed up their feelings with appropriate action for them.So far the ladies are the only ones to get abuse for it,that is my real point

I agree it was the same thing and they acted as I think they were right and entitled to do. Though it sounds like it was a lot of tabloid stuff not all sheff utd.

As for them being a bit more public and. But more emotional I would expect a woman to be a bit more emotional, empathetic and angry about the crime!

As for the reaction on Twitter and here it's true - we still live in a pretty sexist world in many ways less so in Britain than in 95% of the world but in the media there are still huge double standards on women and that comes from fellow women as well as men!

Been an interesting story here in aus this week a male and female host on the morning show here - she gets 50 letters or emails a day criticising her outfits, hair, language etc - he wore the same suit for a year as an experiment to make a point about sexism and got not one comment.

 

[kaz7]

It wasnt the same thing though was it?

All of them object to him playing again and have backed up their feelings with appropriate action for them.So far the ladies are the only ones to get abuse for it,that is my real point

I agree it was the same thing and they acted as I think they were right and entitled to do. Though it sounds like it was a lot of tabloid stuff not all sheff utd.

As for them being a bit more public and. But more emotional I would expect a woman to be a bit more emotional, empathetic and angry about the crime!

As for the reaction on Twitter and here it's true - we still live in a pretty sexist world in many ways less so in Britain than in 95% of the world but in the media there are still huge double standards on women and that comes from fellow women as well as men!

Been an interesting story here in aus this week a male and female host on the morning show here - she gets 50 letters or emails a day criticising her outfits, hair, language etc - he wore the same suit for a year as an experiment to make a point about sexism and got not one comment.

I find the double standards a bit much these days,women cop a lot of flack that men don't,just as well some of us are gobby and voice our opinions anyway lol

 

[EalingBlue2]

All of them object to him playing again and have backed up their feelings with appropriate action for them.So far the ladies are the only ones to get abuse for it,that is my real point

I agree it was the same thing and they acted as I think they were right and entitled to do. Though it sounds like it was a lot of tabloid stuff not all sheff utd.

As for them being a bit more public and. But more emotional I would expect a woman to be a bit more emotional, empathetic and angry about the crime!

As for the reaction on Twitter and here it's true - we still live in a pretty sexist world in many ways less so in Britain than in 95% of the world but in the media there are still huge double standards on women and that comes from fellow women as well as men!

Been an interesting story here in aus this week a male and female host on the morning show here - she gets 50 letters or emails a day criticising her outfits, hair, language etc - he wore the same suit for a year as an experiment to make a point about sexism and got not one comment.

I find the double standards a bit much these days,women cop a lot of flack that men don't,just as well some of us are gobby and voice our opinions anyway lol

I must admit I thought we lived in a pretty even world till australia got a woman prime minister . I couldn't believe how many men couldn't handle it, how much her sex was made more relevant than policy or character. I think it was a lot worse than it ever was with thatcher as she had the support of most of the gutter and right wing press and shock jocks.

This thread shows a lot of the issues very clearly from a cross section of society! I am guilty of it too and pull myself up on it - things like saying stop being a girl or running like a girl! Flo Jo ran like a girl ffs

 

[mcmanus]

I'm simply trotting out the most cynical line available. Ennis-Hill is well within her rights to put her name to, or withdraw it from, anything she chooses. Likewise Webster, though quite frankly she now looks a complete imbecile. For me, Heaton's statement is very well judged: moderate, fair and impartial without sitting on the fence.

I read Heaton's statement as I accept Evans has served his punishment and deserves a second chance but just not at my favourite team so should be someone else's problem.

Which I suppose is the equivalent cynicism. For my money though I do buy Heaton's reason as more than passing the buck.

Who knows where Evans goes from here. He'll get roundly barracked up and down the country, so perhaps a move abroad might be worth considering.

Paul Heaton dislikes convicted rapists and rightly so. I reckon Evans will probably never play professional football again because of, say, social media and 24 hour news. The lads reputation is in tatters, he's damaged goods, dirty bastard....etc. He's knackered now. Rapist.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I read Heaton's statement as I accept Evans has served his punishment and deserves a second chance but just not at my favourite team so should be someone else's problem.

Which I suppose is the equivalent cynicism. For my money though I do buy Heaton's reason as more than passing the buck.

Who knows where Evans goes from here. He'll get roundly barracked up and down the country, so perhaps a move abroad might be worth considering.

Paul Heaton dislikes convicted rapists and rightly so. I reckon Evans will probably never play professional football again because of, say, social media and 24 hour news. The lads reputation is in tatters, he's damaged goods, dirty bastard....etc. He's knackered now. Rapist.

I reckon if Evans lets it die down puts as much effort into rehabilitation and doing some good rather than being indignant and gets some sensible grown up advice then he will be back playing in a year and he can put 90% of the problems behind him. If. He continues to act in a way that he is and try to go back to sheff utd then he is going to put himself and the club through a lot of shit

 

[EalingBlue2]

It wasnt the same thing though was it?

All of them object to him playing again and have backed up their feelings with appropriate action for them.So far the ladies are the only ones to get abuse for it,that is my real point

I don't think anyone deserves abuse over it. But I don't consider the three the same circumstances. My criticism of the two was based on their threats, and the public nature (grandstanding) of them. Not their gender.

Unfortunately we live in a world where keeping quiet would be in the tabloids as supporting date rape. In today's 24 hour news you have to come out for or against - keeping quiet is not an option. Therefore for themselves and what they believe they did the right thing. I don't think its grandstanding it just how the media and the world works today .

 

[forevermancity]

Looks like Jess Ennis has got her way...poor from Sheffield Utd, have a backbone

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Don't know what I think really, it seems such an over reaction by the media that Sheffield United didn't have much choice.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Don't know what I think really, it seems such an over reaction by the media that Sheffield United didn't have much choice.

More likely it is a reaction to sponsors pulling out of the club. Money over ethics.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Yeah I forgot about the money, I'm just listening to them debate Ched on talk sport 'again'

 

[mcmanus]

160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

 

[tidyman]

160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

He has nearly another two and half years left of his sentence.

You don't have to be squeaky clean to think rape is kind of a bit wrong.

 

[Ammy]

160,000 people have signed a petition to stop Evans from carrying on with his life after serving his sentence.

I kinda doubt that they themselves, their family members, their friends or workmates haven't committed a crime. In fact I'll platt shit if they are all squeaky clean.

160,000 people.
That's a lot of people.
Is there a point at which you accept quite a lot of people have a problem with this?