Chelsea (a) post match thread

[Dribble]

How come the other Prem strikers with twenty-odd goals - Kane, big nose and Lukaku are being praised to the hilt, but our man with twenty-seven goals is having his game picked apart ? Big nose has missed more chances than any striker this season, but he's being talked up as a Player of the year contender. I like Kane, but he'll have to perform like he is now for another four years before we can see how his record compares to Sergio's. It's one thing to score goals for one or two seasons - quite another to do it for nearly six years. He's been scoring twenty-odd goals a season despite missing chunks of the season through injury. We're fucking lucky to have this guy. In the Prem and the CL his goalscoring record is monumental - and this is today not some golden yesterday. This season he's heading for thirty-odd goals. An unbelievable return. Players that score twenty-odd goals a season for six years or so are special - very special. Your comment about him passing to marked players on his right rather than unmarked players on his left rings no bells with me. Are you suggesting Sergio doesn't know how to play football ?

This is very surprising, but also very true, we actually are more successful without Aguero than with and it seems Pep has also recognised this.


COMPARING MANCHESTER CITY'S STATS WITH AND WITHOUT SERGIO AGUERO

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...er-citys-stats-with-and-without-sergio-aguero

Given the small sample size of the games he’s missed, it’s difficult to draw too many conclusions, but according to data supplied by Duncan Alexander at Opta, City have coped well in his absence.

In terms of their win percentage, they have managed to secure three points in 57.1 percent of the league matches they’ve played with Aguero this season and 75 percent in the games he has failed to start. That’s an average of 2.5 points per game when he doesn’t start and just 1.9 when he does. They have won six and drawn two of the eight matches he hasn't started.

Perhaps even more surprising is that City’s number of average goals scored per match when he starts is, in fact, slightly lower than when he hasn’t been available from the beginning. They have scored 2.3 goals per game without him and 2.1 with him. Again, his absence doesn’t necessarily mean City are going to struggle.

http://www.planetfootball.com/viral/can-manchester-city-live-without-sergio-aguero-stats-say-yes/

City better without Aguero
Of course, goals are great and exactly what you’d expect one of the world’s most revered strikers to produce on a regular basis. But wins are the lifeblood of any top European team and the simple fact is: Manchester City have a better win percentage without Aguero in the Premier League this season.

In the six games he hasn’t featured City have won 83% of the time, compared to 58% in the games he has featured. In fact, City have collected 2.5 points per game when he has not been in the side and only 1.9 when he has been included.

Surprisingly they’ve also scored more goals without him on average. This season they’ve scored an average of 2.5 goals per game when he’s not in the side, as compared to 1.9 when he hasn’t featured.

Those goals have also come at a faster pace when he hasn’t been included and the average shots per game have been higher.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

This is very surprising, but also very true, we actually are more successful without Aguero than with and it seems Pep has also recognised this.


COMPARING MANCHESTER CITY'S STATS WITH AND WITHOUT SERGIO AGUERO

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...er-citys-stats-with-and-without-sergio-aguero

Given the small sample size of the games he’s missed, it’s difficult to draw too many conclusions, but according to data supplied by Duncan Alexander at Opta, City have coped well in his absence.

In terms of their win percentage, they have managed to secure three points in 57.1 percent of the league matches they’ve played with Aguero this season and 75 percent in the games he has failed to start. That’s an average of 2.5 points per game when he doesn’t start and just 1.9 when he does. They have won six and drawn two of the eight matches he hasn't started.

Perhaps even more surprising is that City’s number of average goals scored per match when he starts is, in fact, slightly lower than when he hasn’t been available from the beginning. They have scored 2.3 goals per game without him and 2.1 with him. Again, his absence doesn’t necessarily mean City are going to struggle.

http://www.planetfootball.com/viral/can-manchester-city-live-without-sergio-aguero-stats-say-yes/

City better without Aguero
Of course, goals are great and exactly what you’d expect one of the world’s most revered strikers to produce on a regular basis. But wins are the lifeblood of any top European team and the simple fact is: Manchester City have a better win percentage without Aguero in the Premier League this season.

In the six games he hasn’t featured City have won 83% of the time, compared to 58% in the games he has featured. In fact, City have collected 2.5 points per game when he has not been in the side and only 1.9 when he has been included.

Surprisingly they’ve also scored more goals without him on average. This season they’ve scored an average of 2.5 goals per game when he’s not in the side, as compared to 1.9 when he hasn’t featured.

Those goals have also come at a faster pace when he hasn’t been included and the average shots per game have been higher.

The stats that matter are the number of goals he scored. Comparing a sample of 21 games and 6 games isn't reliable. They more or less say that without Sergio City would virtually win at least 32 games out of 38 and keep a clean sheet at least 50 per cent of the time. Nowhere near realistic. Look at the career stats of players like Shearer - mountain of goals and no special win record. Doesn't detract from them at all. I want our strikers to be single minded and take risks. I want Sergio to try and score from impossible positions - it's what makes him so great.

 

[Dribble]

The stats that matter are the number of goals he scored. Comparing a sample of 21 games and 6 games isn't reliable. They more or less say that without Sergio City would virtually win at least 32 games out of 38 and keep a clean sheet at least 50 per cent of the time. Nowhere near realistic. Look at the career stats of players like Shearer - mountain of goals and no special win record. Doesn't detract from them at all. I want our strikers to be single minded and take risks. I want Sergio to try and score from impossible positions - it's what makes him so great.

The reason I uploaded this was there was a piece on the TV not so long ago that said Aguero's overall record at Manchester City was more like a 49% win rate with him and over 70% without him. The point many of us were making was that over many games whilst he's been at City, Aguero has gone for an impossible goal where a killer pass was available which has kept his incredible goal scoring record going, but damaged our win rate...... I think this explains why Pep dropped him in favour of Jesus which signalled a change in our fortunes. Jesus get injured, Aguero scores 8 in 9, we win 0, draw 4 and lose 1.

On Wednesday there were 3 occasions where the killer pass was on, but he ignored the team winning so he could score a wonder goal against Chelsea's 9 man defence. He didn't score, we lost, Chelsea 3 points, Manchester City 0 points and that's now 3 points out of a possible 12 whilst Aguero's continued his scoring hot streak. Great for Aguero personally, but not so great for us.

 

[FantasyIreland]

The reason I uploaded this was there was a piece on the TV not so long ago that said Aguero's overall record at Manchester City was more like a 49% win rate with him and over 70% without him. The point many of us were making was that over many games whilst he's been at City, Aguero has gone for an impossible goal where a killer pass was available which has kept his incredible goal scoring record going, but damaged our win rate...... I think this explains why Pep dropped him in favour of Jesus which signalled a change in our fortunes. Jesus get injured, Aguero scores 8 in 9, we win 0, draw 4 and lose 1.

On Wednesday there were 3 occasions where the killer pass was on, but he ignored the team winning so he could score a wonder goal against Chelsea's 9 man defence. He didn't score, we lost, Chelsea 3 points, Manchester City 0 points and that's now 3 points out of a possible 12 whilst Aguero's continued his scoring hot streak. Great for Aguero personally, but not so great for us.

Good post and the reason plenty of us have come to the realisation that,despite his deserved legendary status,his departure may now be for the best.

 

[Josh_D]

It is, But it's disappointing that we're already talking about the season after next. I think next year could well end up being a transitional year, if that ends up being the case then we certainly need to tie Pep down for longer.

I'm sure the owner has thought about it as well. In addition to your response about Pep not caring about reputations, I really hope he take a bulldozer through the whole team. The media in this country (in general) will have a go if he gets rid of any big player or surprisingly offers up someone in the team we don't expect. It's the same media that has probably slandered or otherwise City players over the years. They'll have something to talk about headlines like 'Pep beyond his depth by getting rid of Aguero'. 'Pep axes star player without explanation'. I'm not as creative with their headlines as they are but I'm eager to see what he'll do in the transfer market.

 

[SilverFox2]

The reason I uploaded this was there was a piece on the TV not so long ago that said Aguero's overall record at Manchester City was more like a 49% win rate with him and over 70% without him. The point many of us were making was that over many games whilst he's been at City, Aguero has gone for an impossible goal where a killer pass was available which has kept his incredible goal scoring record going, but damaged our win rate...... I think this explains why Pep dropped him in favour of Jesus which signalled a change in our fortunes. Jesus get injured, Aguero scores 8 in 9, we win 0, draw 4 and lose 1.

On Wednesday there were 3 occasions where the killer pass was on, but he ignored the team winning so he could score a wonder goal against Chelsea's 9 man defence. He didn't score, we lost, Chelsea 3 points, Manchester City 0 points and that's now 3 points out of a possible 12 whilst Aguero's continued his scoring hot streak. Great for Aguero personally, but not so great for us.

Unfortunately no matter how easy the killer pass will make it for another player our record says they will usually miss the target completely.
Perhaps Aguero knows this and thinks a shot from him is the better option.
The other point is that our opponents are less likely to defend in depth as much if our star striker is missing from a game so will be more confident of dealing with our attacks.
Perhaps we should use Aguero as a sub for when we are winning and the oppo is at least trying to attack more.

 

[1961_vintage]

The reason I uploaded this was there was a piece on the TV not so long ago that said Aguero's overall record at Manchester City was more like a 49% win rate with him and over 70% without him. The point many of us were making was that over many games whilst he's been at City, Aguero has gone for an impossible goal where a killer pass was available which has kept his incredible goal scoring record going, but damaged our win rate...... I think this explains why Pep dropped him in favour of Jesus which signalled a change in our fortunes. Jesus get injured, Aguero scores 8 in 9, we win 0, draw 4 and lose 1.

On Wednesday there were 3 occasions where the killer pass was on, but he ignored the team winning so he could score a wonder goal against Chelsea's 9 man defence. He didn't score, we lost, Chelsea 3 points, Manchester City 0 points and that's now 3 points out of a possible 12 whilst Aguero's continued his scoring hot streak. Great for Aguero personally, but not so great for us.

I've lost count of the number of times I have seen Sergio have to try and beat the whole of the oppositions back 4 single-handedly rather than try a futile pass to the largely indolent, profligate bunch of twats around him.

 

[toffee balls]

Aguero is and always will be a fox in the box.A lethal assasin who comes alive at the mere sniff of a chance.

His predatory skills are diminishing as his body ages and his burst of pace over 10 yards begins to even out.

Houston , we hava a problem.

 

[Easy]

How come the other Prem strikers with twenty-odd goals - Kane, big nose and Lukaku are being praised to the hilt, but our man with twenty-seven goals is having his game picked apart ? Big nose has missed more chances than any striker this season, but he's being talked up as a Player of the year contender. I like Kane, but he'll have to perform like he is now for another four years before we can see how his record compares to Sergio's. It's one thing to score goals for one or two seasons - quite another to do it for nearly six years. He's been scoring twenty-odd goals a season despite missing chunks of the season through injury. We're fucking lucky to have this guy. In the Prem and the CL his goalscoring record is monumental - and this is today not some golden yesterday. This season he's heading for thirty-odd goals. An unbelievable return. Players that score twenty-odd goals a season for six years or so are special - very special. Your comment about him passing to marked players on his right rather than unmarked players on his left rings no bells with me. Are you suggesting Sergio doesn't know how to play football ?

Sergio knows how to play but would rather keep the ball and try to dribble past two defenders than pass and run into space. Nobody is questioning his goal scoring record. Big nose, Kane would not get into the top teams in Europe, Lukaku possibly, but where? It looks like Chelsea are the only club willing to pay the fee required for him. Sergio is a legend but his time is up. I understand where you are coming from because I was shocked that Hart left on loan. Really wanted him to stay but after a few months, it was clear that was the right decision despite Bravo's struggles. Hart hasn't exactly been world class at Torino and I think he might even have the most errors leading to goals among keepers in the top leagues. Sergio leaving will be tough but our team will play better because of it. You can't blame Kun for not having the passing ability required. Through out his whole career he was the one getting PASSED to. Get a pass, create space, score a goal. That is Kun. He is not good enough in the build up play and Jesus offers much more in that respect which is why he played and Kun sat on the bench. The team is much more important than the individual and City will still be City without Kun. Its the harsh reality that the sooner you will accept the easier its going to be.

 

[Dribble]

Good post and the reason plenty of us have come to the realisation that,despite his deserved legendary status,his departure may now be for the best.

I love Aguero and his Aguerooooooo moment will live on in City folklore forever as a seminal turning point in our recent history, but you can't argue with a 49% win rare with Aguero and a 70%+ win rate without him.

It's obvious Pep has sussed this too. Alas unless Aguero adapts his game to suit us, I can see him going the same way as other big names who didn't suit Pep's master plan like Ibra and Ronaldinho.... Like I said, this summer promises to be an interesting one for sure.