Chelsea (a) post match thread

[Dribble]

Unfortunately no matter how easy the killer pass will make it for another player our record says they will usually miss the target completely.
Perhaps Aguero knows this and thinks a shot from him is the better option.
The other point is that our opponents are less likely to defend in depth as much if our star striker is missing from a game so will be more confident of dealing with our attacks.
Perhaps we should use Aguero as a sub for when we are winning and the oppo is at least trying to attack more.

I respectfully disagree. Let's say another player is in a better position to score and Aguero is in a near impossible position, is it right he tries the impossible himself or places a percentage trust in to fellow players?

If we have a higher win rate without Aguero, it suggests him being selfish in front of goal is more of a hindrance to us, than a help. My wish is that we retain Aguero and he changes his attitude toward wanting personal glory over the team winning, if he can't do so for the good of our team, I will accept his departure to pastures new with a heavy heart, but in the knowledge this will probably be for the best for Manchester City Football Club.

 

[Dribble]

I've lost count of the number of times I have seen Sergio have to try and beat the whole of the oppositions back 4 single-handedly rather than try a futile pass to the largely indolent, profligate bunch of twats around him.

They're not twats mate, they're our players for better, for worse.

Ultimately, the surprising statistics show something different. Without Aguero, we share the goal scoring responsibility more evenly that's all. Another surprise in the stats was that we have more shots at goal with Aguero in the team, but a lower conversion rate. Most of that is down to Aguero missing chances that he's have been better off passing to a better placed player, whilst without him we're more likely to only take the shot if there is a clearer chance of scoring.

These surprising stats throw up a conundrum for us where Aguero is concerned I'm afraid.

 

[SilverFox2]

I respectfully disagree. Let's say another player is in a better position to score and Aguero is in a near impossible position, is it right he tries the impossible himself or places a percentage trust in to fellow players?

If we have a higher win rate without Aguero, it suggests him being selfish in front of goal is more of a hindrance to us, than a help. My wish is that we retain Aguero and he changes his attitude toward wanting personal glory over the team winning, if he can't do so for the good of our team, I will accept his departure to pastures new with a heavy heart, but in the knowledge this will probably be for the best for Manchester City Football Club.

Of course you may very well be correct but we are not short of chances to shoot on goal and they do not all fall to Aguero.

Our record is abysmal when it comes to utilizing a shooting chance. We regularly miss the target and sometimes the ball completely yet when on target we get a respectable percentage of goals from those shots.
Compared to other teams we are collectively wasteful with our chances no matter who shoots.

Not saying Aguero has not been as guilty as others but increasing the number of passes to attempt supposedly easier chances may not be the answer to the problem and I suspect we may have criticised him for passing instead of shooting if that pass you suggest had been made and the receiver (no matter how better placed or who) fluffed it yet again.

 

[Easy]

I think this is what will drive Pep on. He will forever be judged against the higher level of manager he's encountered in the PL and if he fails to impress here, I think it only fair that people reassess their judgements on where he stands as one of the world's best managers ever.....

Just imagine how it would have been if the original plan for him to follow Mancini had gone ahead? I feel strangely satisfied seeing the way his frustrated emotions also reflect that of most fans, at least he looks like he wants to be on the pitch with the players and not sat there with bloodshot eyes looking like he needs to sleep for a month. I honestly believe he feels our pain and wants this as much as we do, we can't ask for much more than that.

All signs are there, he needs to get it right in the summer and I'm sure he will. Missing out on Laporte and Bonucci last summer has clearly messed up his plans. Hopefully Pep can get the main targets in early so they can transition easily. I've been waiting to see quality fullbacks in our line-up for years now. We will be a different team next season. Pep shares our pain and frustration. Looking at the managers in this league, he'll want to stay and prove himself. Thats why he has indicated he will probably stay longer than 3 years if everything goes well. I've made this point in one of my earlier posts, can't see him really changing leagues anytime soon. Winning the PL and CL with City will be amazing accomplishments and those are his targets, to get a double of treble of the top titles playing in the toughest, most competitive league in the world would probably make him the greatest manager of all time when accounting the titles he won in the past. Much harder to do it now than when the rags did it. We really have 6 teams competing for 4 positions and it will only get tougher.

 

[Easy]

I love Aguero and his Aguerooooooo moment will live on in City folklore forever as a seminal turning point in our recent history, but you can't argue with a 49% win rare with Aguero and a 70%+ win rate without him.

It's obvious Pep has sussed this too. Alas unless Aguero adapts his game to suit us, I can see him going the same way as other big names who didn't suit Pep's master plan like Ibra and Ronaldinho.... Like I said, this summer promises to be an interesting one for sure.

Kun has tried to adapt and is working hard but his passing and build up is just not good enough and never will be, that is why he will be sold. Just taking a look at his assists this season tells you a lot. No assists in the league and 3 for the season. Like you said he is not part of Pep's master plan and will be sold. Very tough, heart breaking decision but is the right one. The sooner many posters realize this on here the better.

 

[Dribble]

Of course you may very well be correct but we are not short of chances to shoot on goal and they do not all fall to Aguero.

Our record is abysmal when it comes to utilizing a shooting chance. We regularly miss the target and sometimes the ball completely yet when on target we get a respectable percentage of goals from those shots.
Compared to other teams we are collectively wasteful with our chances no matter who shoots.

Not saying Aguero has not been as guilty as others but increasing the number of passes to attempt supposedly easier chances may not be the answer to the problem and I suspect we may have criticised him for passing instead of shooting if that pass you suggest had been made and the receiver (no matter how better placed or who) fluffed it yet again.

But the stats suggest that if Aguero was less selfish, we'd score more. There's no doubt he's the deadliest finisher in our squad until Jesus arrived, but he needs to play more for the team and stop playing to enhance his personal goal tally above us winning. There are too many instances where sweeping moves have broken down because he's checked his run to try and take on a whole defence instead of keeping the sweeping move going and supplying the killer pass.

Look at this killer pass at 35 seconds... If that was Aguero he would have tried to take on the opposition from there and not thought of the pass. This is the issue with Aguero which Jesus coming to City is highlighting....

 

[Dribble]

All signs are there, he needs to get it right in the summer and I'm sure he will. Missing out on Laporte and Bonucci last summer has clearly messed up his plans. Hopefully Pep can get the main targets in early so they can transition easily. I've been waiting to see quality fullbacks in our line-up for years now. We will be a different team next season. Pep shares our pain and frustration. Looking at the managers in this league, he'll want to stay and prove himself. Thats why he has indicated he will probably stay longer than 3 years if everything goes well. I've made this point in one of my earlier posts, can't see him really changing leagues anytime soon. Winning the PL and CL with City will be amazing accomplishments and those are his targets, to get a double of treble of the top titles playing in the toughest, most competitive league in the world would probably make him the greatest manager of all time when accounting the titles he won in the past. Much harder to do it now than when the rags did it. We really have 6 teams competing for 4 positions and it will only get tougher.

Brilliant points mate and I fully agree.

There is no way Guardiola will want to walk away from the challenges presented by Conte, Wenger, Poccehetino, Klopp, Koeman and Maureen having not proved himself especially as he has the resources and infrastructure to do so. The only excuse he'll have is the amount of time he needs to achieve his goals after the debacle he inherited.

 

[Dribble]

Kun has tried to adapt and is working hard but his passing and build up is just not good enough and never will be, that is why he will be sold. Just taking a look at his assists this season tells you a lot. No assists in the league and 3 for the season. Like you said he is not part of Pep's master plan and will be sold. Very tough, heart breaking decision but is the right one. The sooner many posters realize this on here the better.

It really, really pains me to say so, but your points make utter sense and I'm forced to agree. Hopefully if Pep can make a a right back out of Navas, he can make a more complete player out of Aguero..... Here's hoping. :-)

 

[Phil1]

Read the last few pages and there's valid arguments put across. Haven't convinced me that we're a better team without Aguero but people are entitled to disageee.

 

[Dribble]

Read the last few pages and there's valid arguments put across. Haven't convinced me that we're a better team without Aguero but people are entitled to disagree.

We are entitled to disagree and to be honest I still feel guilty for facing up to the stark reality of the facts facing us..... I suppose we'll find out the answer conclusively come the summer mate...