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Chelsea Thread 2013/14
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moomba said:The_Mo said:. I don't know why so many people on here get wound up by him. He does what he does for that exact purpose, you are doing exactly what he wants you to do by reacting in this manner.
I really don't think how people react on an internet forum makes a bit of difference. Why do you think Jose wants us to react? What will it achieve for Chelsea/Jose?
Its not just an internet forum though is it. The PL is the most popular league in the world and he is at one of the most successful clubs in that league. The whole world is watching, and you can bet your ass the three amigos are too. He is just trying to get under our skin.
Don't feed the troll, or he won't go away!
The_Mo said:moomba said:The_Mo said:. I don't know why so many people on here get wound up by him. He does what he does for that exact purpose, you are doing exactly what he wants you to do by reacting in this manner.
I really don't think how people react on an internet forum makes a bit of difference. Why do you think Jose wants us to react? What will it achieve for Chelsea/Jose?
Its not just an internet forum though is it. The PL is the most popular league in the world and he is at one of the most successful clubs in that league. The whole world is watching, and you can bet your ass the three amigos are too. He is just trying to get under our skin.
Don't feed the troll, or he won't go away!
It's an internet forum . What I say has no impact.
I doubt Jose's rants have caused the people at our club a seconds thought. He's a bore.
moomba said:The_Mo said:moomba said:I really don't think how people react on an internet forum makes a bit of difference. Why do you think Jose wants us to react? What will it achieve for Chelsea/Jose?
Its not just an internet forum though is it. The PL is the most popular league in the world and he is at one of the most successful clubs in that league. The whole world is watching, and you can bet your ass the three amigos are too. He is just trying to get under our skin.
Don't feed the troll, or he won't go away!
It's an internet forum . What I say has no impact.
I doubt Jose's rants have caused the people at our club a seconds thought. He's a bore.
I meant he's not just doing it to piss people off on Bluemoon. He probably doesn't even know it exists. He's a troll and he is doing what trolls do best. It is very easy to flip out at him because he comes across as an arrogant twat. If grown men on here can bite, then you can be sure someone at the club gnawed their teeth at him.
I know what you are trying to say, and Pellers and his two mates probably don't give two monkeys about what he says. And rightly so. He is doing it to provoke a reaction but the guys up top are too smart to get pulled into all this.
Armaan said:Hate the man with a passion, got his arse handed to him by the Spanish media but ours worship the ground he walks on. Pisses me off!St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:So Mourinho now spouting we are Lucky and we will get found out in europe.
What a fucking cock he really is!!
I cant wait for all of the Mourinho bummers to come on here defending him.
Bottom line is..he's a ****.
I hope we fucking smash them on Monday.
He is really cracking up isnt he.
The media here feed his ego, they're like a load of lovesick schoolgirls drooling over the latest pop idol while he sits there lapping it up.
ianw16
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Two proverbs that spring to mind, regarding Maureen:
Pride goes before a fall.
Empty vessels make the most noise.
Pride goes before a fall.
Empty vessels make the most noise.
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It's the 'take the attention off us and try and unstable the oppo" bile. He knows they are facing a formidable storm, and could quite easily get blown away, but in the middle of the storm is Manuel, classy, dignified and respectful.
The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!<br /><br />-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:10 am --<br /><br />The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!<br /><br />-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:10 am --<br /><br />The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!
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RyanP3609 said:The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!
-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:10 am --
The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!
Kicking lumps out of us is what he will do from the off.<br /><br />-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:21 am --<br /><br />
RyanP3609 said:The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!
-- Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:10 am --
The "lucky" bollocks he's been spouting is trying to get the refs on his side for Monday's game. Doesn't want us getting any correct decisions that the media then turn into an incorrect one whilst not mentioning any of the stuff we didn't get.
His usual drivel, he's becoming a complete non-entity. Even Big Sam is getting the better of him now! Expect Chavs to play all out attack from the off!
Kicking lumps out of us is what he will do from the off.
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Martin Samuel on Jose/FFP
Postby Damocles » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:58 am
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba</a> ... AMUEL.html
If you can’t beat them, sue them. That is the latest plan. Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea may use UEFA small print to derail Manchester City, if they fail to do it on the pitch.
Were City to fail UEFA’s financial fair play regulations, there is room to plea bargain, to promise to make good, to affect change by a certain time, and remain in the Champions League.
Yet if that happened, there is also a 10-day period in which other clubs can challenge the decision.
The suggestion is now that the English clubs would gang up on City and try to force UEFA to reconsider. Manchester United would be part of this too, no doubt, if they were in any position to contemplate Champions League football next season.
So let’s start with what is not Manchester City’s fault. It is not Manchester City’s fault that Arsenal, with immense financial resources, chose to recruit one player in the transfer window: Kim Kallstrom, a 31-year-old loan deal from Spartak Moscow, who turned up seriously injured. It is not Manchester City’s fault that Chelsea had to sell last year’s player of the season, Juan Mata, to Manchester United for £37million.
It is not Manchester City’s fault that Liverpool have failed to win the title in the modern era, despite spending significant money on players ranging from Phil Babb to Stan Collymore, Emile Heskey, Djibril Cisse, Fernando Torres, Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll — all of whom have been club-record signings since the formation of the Premier League, and about two of whom have lived up to expectations.
Finally, it is not Manchester City’s fault that, due to the arbitrary and misapplied nature of UEFA’s financial regulations, an expansion project that would have proceeded steadily had to be hiked up to ramming speed to get inside the fortress before the established elite raised the drawbridge.
In every other aspect, City are attempting to build from the roots up: academies, facilities, local regeneration. They are giving more back to the area of east Manchester than they have ever taken out.
The reason hundreds of millions had to be spent on players, however, was that Michel Platini came up with a plan for greater financial responsibility and then executed it so poorly that any team beyond the upper echelon was likely to remain so for ever.
City had to smash their way in or risk exclusion. This was Platini’s doing, not City’s choice; just as it is to please UEFA that balance sheets now have to be so expertly constructed.
Football club accountants must be more creative than coaches these days. The current complaints centre around vague calculations in Manchester City’s latest figures — image and intellectual property rights have been sold to an unnamed party for close to £50m, allowing the club to cut its losses by almost half - but they are unlikely to be any more brilliantly conceived than Chelsea’s profit of £1.4m to June 2012, with Roman Abramovich also converting £166.6m in loans to equity.
If it wasn’t so unjust it would almost be comic that Chelsea are among the most vocal objectors to City’s business strategy. Financial fair play was introduced as a way of stopping Abramovich, and other new money investors, buying up the prizes.
Having hijacked the idea and manoeuvred Platini into turning it into an elite-club protection scheme, to hear his minions pontificate on FFP compliance is a bit like watching the Corleone family trying to go legit, but without the inevitable bloodbath.
Last week, without naming names of course, because everyone knew whom he was talking about anyway, Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho spoke of investigating the clubs who are complying with FFP in what he termed a ‘dodgy’ way. ‘If I was a journalist interested in football, it would be something interesting to do,’ he said.
So let’s get interesting.
In the eight seasons prior to that profit in 2012, Chelsea lost £630m. In 2009, Abramovich wrote off £710m in loans he had given the club since 2003 (this does not include the £166.6m figure converted to equity last year). Since 2012, Chelsea have lost another £49.4m, compared to Manchester City’s £51m. Maybe they sold the good accountant to Manchester United, too.
And do you know what? It shouldn’t matter. As long as a very wealthy man is giving his money to a football club — and not placing it in jeopardy, or holding it to ransom with loans — what is the problem?
This is money from outside football coming into football. It creates competition and trickle-down benefits and, as no investor wants to be putting in forever, in time they all try to run the business for a profit anyway.
It wasn’t fair when UEFA were moaning about Abramovich either. Indeed, the only reason Chelsea’s losses are of interest now is their hypocrisy in attacking City for doing exactly what Abramovich did, except with the good fortune of not having UEFA on his back at the time.
Abramovich threw money at Chelsea because he wanted to — City bought players because they had to. There’s the difference.
Now, remind us all again, Jose, what’s dodgy?
Martin Samuel on Jose/FFP
Postby Damocles » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:58 am
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba</a> ... AMUEL.html
If you can’t beat them, sue them. That is the latest plan. Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea may use UEFA small print to derail Manchester City, if they fail to do it on the pitch.
Were City to fail UEFA’s financial fair play regulations, there is room to plea bargain, to promise to make good, to affect change by a certain time, and remain in the Champions League.
Yet if that happened, there is also a 10-day period in which other clubs can challenge the decision.
The suggestion is now that the English clubs would gang up on City and try to force UEFA to reconsider. Manchester United would be part of this too, no doubt, if they were in any position to contemplate Champions League football next season.
So let’s start with what is not Manchester City’s fault. It is not Manchester City’s fault that Arsenal, with immense financial resources, chose to recruit one player in the transfer window: Kim Kallstrom, a 31-year-old loan deal from Spartak Moscow, who turned up seriously injured. It is not Manchester City’s fault that Chelsea had to sell last year’s player of the season, Juan Mata, to Manchester United for £37million.
It is not Manchester City’s fault that Liverpool have failed to win the title in the modern era, despite spending significant money on players ranging from Phil Babb to Stan Collymore, Emile Heskey, Djibril Cisse, Fernando Torres, Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll — all of whom have been club-record signings since the formation of the Premier League, and about two of whom have lived up to expectations.
Finally, it is not Manchester City’s fault that, due to the arbitrary and misapplied nature of UEFA’s financial regulations, an expansion project that would have proceeded steadily had to be hiked up to ramming speed to get inside the fortress before the established elite raised the drawbridge.
In every other aspect, City are attempting to build from the roots up: academies, facilities, local regeneration. They are giving more back to the area of east Manchester than they have ever taken out.
The reason hundreds of millions had to be spent on players, however, was that Michel Platini came up with a plan for greater financial responsibility and then executed it so poorly that any team beyond the upper echelon was likely to remain so for ever.
City had to smash their way in or risk exclusion. This was Platini’s doing, not City’s choice; just as it is to please UEFA that balance sheets now have to be so expertly constructed.
Football club accountants must be more creative than coaches these days. The current complaints centre around vague calculations in Manchester City’s latest figures — image and intellectual property rights have been sold to an unnamed party for close to £50m, allowing the club to cut its losses by almost half - but they are unlikely to be any more brilliantly conceived than Chelsea’s profit of £1.4m to June 2012, with Roman Abramovich also converting £166.6m in loans to equity.
If it wasn’t so unjust it would almost be comic that Chelsea are among the most vocal objectors to City’s business strategy. Financial fair play was introduced as a way of stopping Abramovich, and other new money investors, buying up the prizes.
Having hijacked the idea and manoeuvred Platini into turning it into an elite-club protection scheme, to hear his minions pontificate on FFP compliance is a bit like watching the Corleone family trying to go legit, but without the inevitable bloodbath.
Last week, without naming names of course, because everyone knew whom he was talking about anyway, Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho spoke of investigating the clubs who are complying with FFP in what he termed a ‘dodgy’ way. ‘If I was a journalist interested in football, it would be something interesting to do,’ he said.
So let’s get interesting.
In the eight seasons prior to that profit in 2012, Chelsea lost £630m. In 2009, Abramovich wrote off £710m in loans he had given the club since 2003 (this does not include the £166.6m figure converted to equity last year). Since 2012, Chelsea have lost another £49.4m, compared to Manchester City’s £51m. Maybe they sold the good accountant to Manchester United, too.
And do you know what? It shouldn’t matter. As long as a very wealthy man is giving his money to a football club — and not placing it in jeopardy, or holding it to ransom with loans — what is the problem?
This is money from outside football coming into football. It creates competition and trickle-down benefits and, as no investor wants to be putting in forever, in time they all try to run the business for a profit anyway.
It wasn’t fair when UEFA were moaning about Abramovich either. Indeed, the only reason Chelsea’s losses are of interest now is their hypocrisy in attacking City for doing exactly what Abramovich did, except with the good fortune of not having UEFA on his back at the time.
Abramovich threw money at Chelsea because he wanted to — City bought players because they had to. There’s the difference.
Now, remind us all again, Jose, what’s dodgy?
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