"City dig heels in over Robinho"

[alera]

If he puts the effort in an earns his place I am happy for him to stay.

If not I dont want the club taken for a ride and for us to look like a laughing stock. How is is acting and the deal on the table doesnt seem at all acceptable to me.

 

[bizzbo]

Actually that point was made to me. If hes not happy he can pay his way out of his contract - cost £32 million. Hes a rich guy if he doesnt care about the money and hes not happy here he can do that. Sure our owners would work out some sort of repayment plan with him ?

well

if he's not playing

we are going to save on wages

and if he plays OK for santos and goes on to have a good world cup

then we would get a better fee if someone in europe wanted to buy him

We loan him out on the terms being mentioned we will look like idiots see Sheva / Crespo example. Like I said before if we let him walk all over us like this as with the two players mentioned no one will pay us a fee or even cover all his wages. We will look weak and stupid and yes we will be a laughing stock.

The deal Santos and Robinho are pushing is an 18 month contract and us paying £80k a week of his wages ! = final year of contract, no fee and £4 million + a year on our payroll. That what happens if you say fine let the player do what he likes Robinho is bigger than MCFC.

where have you got those figures from?

 

[fbloke]

It would be refreshing if the club told him to shut up or be fired.

Im sure they could find some sort of breach of contract with his deliberate, repeated and public attempts to engineer a move.

If you deliberately make common knowledge facts that will cause the price of an asset to be devalued with the intention of profiting from said actions then that is, in very simple terms a fraudulent activity.

If they were to fire him under those circumstances not only would they be able to sue him personally for the loss of transfer fees and stop his wages they could also retain his registration.

I would like it if they did that.

 

[alera]

where have you got those figures from?

Well the santos rep is saying they want an 18 month deal. Santos ground holds 20,000 their tickets cost £2. Its a third world country. Common sense dictates they cant cover £160k a week wages, or even half that with sponsorship.

So he takes a huge pay cut or we pay the difference which option do you think Santos and Robinho want ?

There is a pretty clear precident as I mentioned for how these sort of loan deals pan out its not rocket science.

 

[Blue Mooner]

where have you got those figures from?

Well the santos rep is saying they want an 18 month deal. Santos ground holds 20,000 there tickets cost £2. Its a third world country. Common sense dictates they cant cover £160k a week wages, or even half that with sponsorship.

So he takes a huge pay cut or we pay the difference which option do you think Santos and Robinho want ?

There is a pretty clear precident as I mentioned for how these sort of loan deals pan out its not rocket science.

I don't want to see Robinho go and it's clear that they only way he should go is on our terms.

At the end of the day the rags kept hold of Ronaldo when he clearly wanted out and got the money they wanted when it suited them.

Robinho is on a long contract so we should keep him if the terms aren't right.

 

[alera]

At the end of the day the rags kept hold of Ronaldo when he clearly wanted out and got the money they wanted when it suited them.

Robinho is on a long contract so we should keep him if the terms aren't right.

EXACTLY

 

[bluenova]

Ah, Daniel Taylor. The Guardian 'journalist' who spends half his day making up shit about City and the other half cleaning Sir Alex's bumhole with his tongue.

A man so far up Baconface's arse he broke his silence on the Ladyboy's disgraceful behaviour at the Munich Centenary game, when the pouting pony disgraced the memory of the Munich fallen. Only he didn't do it on the actual day, oh no, he waited a couple of months, until precisely the moment that Ladyboy was angling for a move to Real and Fergie was digging his heels in (wouldn't sell them a virus). Of course, on the day he actually witnessed this appalling behaviour, he had nothing but praise for the noble reds and was trying to drag City through the mud over alleged/imagined disruptions of the minute's silence.

Once Ladyboy decided to stay on, Taylor suddenly forgot all about him pissing on the Munich dead and was back to lauding him as the greatest player in the Premiership... until he finally did fuck off to Real.

I wouldn't trust the date under this ****'s byline. And you can quote me on that.

I think they've all switched roles at The Guardian. Have a look at some of Daniel Taylor's recent articles and there are some about United that even you'll enjoy reading.

If you need a Guardian journo to despise then I'd suggest reading Paul Hayward's spiteful article about Tevez http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?t...36624#/topic.php?uid=273276236624&topic=12316.

 

[bizzbo]

It would be refreshing if the club told him to shut up or be fired.

Im sure they could find some sort of breach of contract with his deliberate, repeated and public attempts to engineer a move.

If you deliberately make common knowledge facts that will cause the price of an asset to be devalued with the intention of profiting from said actions then that is, in very simple terms a fraudulent activity.

If they were to fire him under those circumstances not only would they be able to sue him personally for the loss of transfer fees and stop his wages they could also retain his registration.

I would like it if they did that.

yeah, that sounds a bit more intelligent to me, but, I think a: you'd have a hard time arguing it, and b: as his registration is still valued in the tens of millions, we'd lose out by sacking him straight off.

a little too much bravado here, not enough clear thinking. how it makes us look is one thing, but it hasn't hurt chelsea, as I say it happens to every club once in a while, you take a loss on a player. you just make sure you don't throw away good money in doing so. if he is leaving anyway, paying robinho's wages for 6 months whilst he sits on the bench and upsets the team, would be a waste of money. we still hold his registration. better to massively reduce the wage for 6 months and then find a way to realise the value of his registration. people would see the wisdom behind that. certainly the sums would add up in our favour. why pay him 5m in wages for next to nothing?

 

[Matt Diablo]

you dont fire someone fbloke when he's cost you 32.5m. You subtledy coax them back to form and pander to their needs, basically indicitive with the state on top level premiership football tbh. But Robby back on it would be more spectacular than anything else for City and make the enemies in the game and press truely face their worst fears, basically City playing dreamlike football with a mix of YES, 198% effort and committed football with physical dominance BUT also the combination of home grown talent mixed with genius Brazillian ability... that is when we kick the fuckerz to pieces...

 

[bizzbo]

where have you got those figures from?

Well the santos rep is saying they want an 18 month deal. Santos ground holds 20,000 their tickets cost £2. Its a third world country. Common sense dictates they cant cover £160k a week wages, or even half that with sponsorship.

So he takes a huge pay cut or we pay the difference which option do you think Santos and Robinho want ?

There is a pretty clear precident as I mentioned for how these sort of loan deals pan out its not rocket science.

brazil is not the third world!

anyway. santos may WANT an 18 months deal. city won't give it to them!

and of course they can't cover 160k a week, but robinho seems to be saying he will take a substantial cut in wages. if he accepts 80k pw, and santos cover two thirds of that, we would pay 20k pw or a saving of 140k pw over 26 wks = 3.6 million. we would still hold his registration (20m+).

I agree, santos and robinho seem to be talking this up in an attempt to railroad city... but have faith dear boy, we have some serious talent negotiating for us.... and as I've said, everyone has to take a loss at some point, be it united on veron (15m), whoever... you show me a club that hasn't dumped a player at a substantial loss.