City EDS and Pep

From what I've read, the story appears to be unfortunately accurate. Maybe a good thing it's been highlighted though, as it may force our hand to get things right.

If it is true, then fuck them. Club held to ransom by 16 year old kids ? Kids that aren't up for the challenge of playing for Pep or £100k a week playing for potential champions and knowing that, even if they don't make it with us, they can earn £50k a week playing in the Championship. Smells of made up bullshit to me.
 
this must be a huge part of it. Right now both the Arse and Spuds are showing a lot of faith in young 19-22 y.o. players. The positives youth bring are energy, fight and optimism, things those above us in the table show plenty of.
Leicester too.

These kids might be thinking, if no one is getting a proper chance when we are shit with only 15 fit players, what chance when Pep has us playing well with a fully fit squad?
 
I’m surprised you’re so clear cut in thinking toward Pellers. He has done a bit more this year than he did in the last 2 IMO.I don’t have any stats but if you assume Nacho and Roberts are EDS lads then this must be one of the best seasons for playing kids in the last 10 years (multiple cup games helps). And of those that we have released over his 3 years at the club none look like massive losses but that said some are having decent careers (Gudietti played against Barcelona last night).
However I do agree that there have been many missed opportunities. The number of times we have been comfortably leading games with kids on the bench and they have not come on is disappointing.

Roberts' inclusion is generous, considering he was a £10m signing and has made a combined total of about 60 minutes over three appearances. Nacho was an absolute no brainer - genuinely no credit from my end for getting that one right. Kid's a bona fida potential genius.

Other than that its been as poor as ever with a real lack of foresight. The main reason we have no fucking idea who, if anyone, can do it at first team level given this injury crisis as we never tried them in easier cup games or brought them on for 30 minutes here and there.
 
The better U21s should be getting more time on the pitch for the 1st team not only to show the CFA kids there is path to progress a career with us, but also to shake up the senior players to let them know they can be replaced and stop any complacency setting in.

The fact we don't have any ready to go young fullbacks for example, with the right amount of 1st team experience, is a disgrace when you consider our first choices are all over 30. Teams above us in the table can integrate home grown youngsters when needed, it's about time we started doing the same.
 
The issue is that City when competing on all four fronts have a squad and need a squad of 25 international quality players

It is then difficult to play young lads in cup games etc as there would be a seasoned international wanting to play therefore it is difficult to know whether a young player would be good enough

The answer in my opinion would be to make the EDS play competitive games against proper teams as they do in Spain. That way they become "battle hardened". Loaning players out is not the answer IMHO as whilst the player may get game time how d you knowwhether they could make the step up to the Premier league if they are playing in league 1
 
According to the despicable Daily Fail, it would seem like no-one will be promoted from the academy and that a batch of our U16s are stalling on signing contracts because the arrival of Pep will mean a huge spending spree and that the kids will get pushed into obscurity. There would have been some credibility in the story if names had been mentioned, but not surprisingly there were none.

I reckon this story will be coming from the directions of swamp HQ. Simultaneously the BBC website are running an article over Butt taking over the rags academy with a banner headline reading: Since 2008, 17 rag academy graduates have made Prem debuts. Man City have had 8 in the same period.
It's so fcukin obvious the rag PR machine is in full throttle.
 
Cos Pellegrini picks the team and has the final say, as all managers will do. Not the DoF.
Yes, i get that but pellegrini's overall performance is the responsibility of the DoF. They made a big song and dance about taking a holistic approach which would have included integration between the academy and the first team squad. If they were serious about than then The DoF should have been holding Pellegrini to account. Clearly he hasn't.
 
Roberts' inclusion is generous, considering he was a £10m signing and has made a combined total of about 60 minutes over three appearances. Nacho was an absolute no brainer - genuinely no credit from my end for getting that one right. Kid's a bona fida potential genius.

Other than that its been as poor as ever with a real lack of foresight. The main reason we have no fucking idea who, if anyone, can do it at first team level given this injury crisis as we never tried them in easier cup games or brought them on for 30 minutes here and there.

And this should be the minimum. It's laughable that two or three of them sit on the bench for 87 minutes. WTF does the coaching staff expect them to do with three minutes and an indeterminate amount of added time. Bersy came on and gave Sergio his goal but what would we have got had the lad been on at 60. The thing that is clearly noticeable in some of these lads - Celina, Barker, Roberts - is how direct they are! And the difference between our laboured efforts over the last couple of games is the directness shown by Leicester and Haringay Hotspurs.
 
Yes, i get that but pellegrini's overall performance is the responsibility of the DoF. They made a big song and dance about taking a holistic approach which would have included integration between the academy and the first team squad. If they were serious about than then The DoF should have been holding Pellegrini to account. Clearly he hasn't.

Yes, and we all know why MP was hanging around, and also why he's leaving, with this being one of the reasons amongst others. They could say what the want, but we all know this was just a stop gap appointment until the big one.
 
Yes, and we all know why MP was hanging around, and also why he's leaving, with this being one of the reasons amongst others. They could say what the want, but we all know this was just a stop gap appointment until the big one.
That may well be the case, but it's piss poor. Pellegrini has taken us backwards over the last two years and Txiki has watched/let him do it. That's why I don't think it's all down to Pellers. There seems to be very little old fashioned performance management going on.
 
I’m surprised you’re so clear cut in thinking toward Pellers. He has done a bit more this year than he did in the last 2 IMO.I don’t have any stats but if you assume Nacho and Roberts are EDS lads then this must be one of the best seasons for playing kids in the last 10 years (multiple cup games helps). And of those that we have released over his 3 years at the club none look like massive losses but that said some are having decent careers (Gudietti played against Barcelona last night).
However I do agree that there have been many missed opportunities. The number of times we have been comfortably leading games with kids on the bench and they have not come on is disappointing.

really ??? roberts played about 40 minutes ? for us and nacho is is a no brainer as others have said. they haven't been given a chance at all imo a few minutes at the end of a game isn't a chance - evans an example. even when we have been winning comfortably he still doesnt bring them on. I'm hoping with pep in charge they finally get given a proper chance to show how good they are
 
Roberts' inclusion is generous, considering he was a £10m signing and has made a combined total of about 60 minutes over three appearances. Nacho was an absolute no brainer - genuinely no credit from my end for getting that one right. Kid's a bona fida potential genius.

Other than that its been as poor as ever with a real lack of foresight. The main reason we have no fucking idea who, if anyone, can do it at first team level given this injury crisis as we never tried them in easier cup games or brought them on for 30 minutes here and there.

I will give you as poor as ever but I’m pointing out that it has been poor for the last 10 years or so at least. If you go through the managers from Mark Hughes, I don’t recall a single youth player getting much of a run with him, Bobby Manc same. Pellers did nothing of note years 1 and 2 but now in year 3 he has brought through Nacho and given a few run outs across all comps. It is hardly a downwards trend. We have had a few players tested and I can see a lot more game time coming up with the Chelsea game for starters and with any luck a decent win in Kiev will mean that we take the pressure of the home game. Again I don’t have stats but this could be a dramatically better year for using kids than any in the past 10 or more. I think part of the issue being raised now is the legacy of what has happened in the last 3 or 4 years but from where we are now I can see Celina and A Garcia on the verge of getting regular minutes and possibly others. If that comes off it would have to go down as a good year and with Denayer due back sets it up for a really good season to come.
 
really ??? roberts played about 40 minutes ? for us and nacho is is a no brainer as others have said. they haven't been given a chance at all imo a few minutes at the end of a game isn't a chance - evans an example. even when we have been winning comfortably he still doesnt bring them on. I'm hoping with pep in charge they finally get given a proper chance to show how good they are

It is a bit over simplistic tro call it a no brainer, Nacho has been gradually introduced and we are reaping the benefit. As above my point is that after years and years of nothing we now have a great young striker coming through and a few more who are on the edge and will possibly start games across the next month. In years gone by it has been League cup run outs and nothing else.
 

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