Citytillidie69 said:
M18CTID said:
Just to balance things up, do you feel exactly the same way about all those Irish people who sing Irish rebel songs? Or is that okay because it is "part of their culture"? I've already stated on this thread why I have sung "No surrender" in the past and I feel perfectly justified in doing so on those occasions - but I don't see the point in singing it randomly every week whenever City play. I've also stated that I've been in numerous pubs and clubs in Ireland and whenever a rebel song has been played sometimes a good 90% or more of the people have happily joined in. Also, perhaps you can explain why at so many Irish weddings I've been to, they feel the need to play rebel songs? Perhaps you can also explain why in my home town of Manchester, we have to hear "Sinn Fein/IRA" chants almost every time The Fields of Athenry gets played. I wouldn't mind, but those chants aren't even part of the song but someone, somewhere, has felt the need to add them over time.
If you feel that 99% of those that have ever sung "No surrender" are loyalist racist bigots then by your twisted logic 99% that have ever sung a rebel song are republican racist bigots.
Where in your home town in Manchester do you hear these songs? The Irish Club in Chorlton, the 32 Club in Ardwick or the Fiddlers in Levenshulme. These are all IRISH clubs and pubs where you will hear these rebels songs. They are not sung in weatherspoons or the Waldorf, so why do you go to places that sing these songs if you dont like them?
At Eastlands, we are there
to support City and not "other causes".
These Irish clubs they are full of real and "plastic Paddy's" who are are there to support Ireland and its history. You are not being forced enter these places under false pretences.
I dont attend BNP rallies or C18 meetings, so why should I listen to there "battle cry" while watching my beloved City.
I've heard that stuff in both the Irish Club in Chorlton and the Palace in Levenshulme plenty of times. The Fiddlers to my knowledge doesn't encourage that kind of thing. Either way, what are you saying? That it's acceptable for those kind of songs to be aired in Irish pubs even if they're on English soil? You sound like an apologist to me. And what about the famous incident in 2001 when the Rags were playing Celtic in Gigg's testimonial, and some Celtic fans decided to have a pro-IRA sing-song outside the postbox where the bomb went off in 1996? That wasn't in an Irish pub was it?
And it's all well and good saying that I'm not being forced to enter these places but if you'd bothered to read my previous posts on this thread you'd realise that my ex-girlfriend is Irish, and as a result I've gained plenty of Irish friends over the years. Hence, I've spent a lot of time in Irish pubs both here and in Ireland. So what am I supposed to do if I'm over visiting her family in Ireland and while out for a drink a rebel song comes on? By your reckoning I should storm out of the place and get the next flight home. Get real ffs.
For the umpteenth time, I'll spell out my own feelings as you seem totally and utterly unable to grasp what I've been saying:
1) I don't agree with City fans singing No surrender week in week out and I'd sooner it wasn't sung at all - look back through my posts on this thread and you'll see that I've been saying that all along
2) But there has been occasion in the past when it was justified
3) Not all those that have ever sung it are loyalist racist bigots no matter which way you try and dress it up, regardless of the song's origins
4) By the same token, not everyone who has sung an Irish rebel song is a republican racist bigot either
