City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[nmc]

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It's madness on both sides of the fence when you start judging owners morals with the actions of their countries. The two are entirely unrelated.

And even if a club's owners are evil dictators, it's not like the fans of a club have much say in the matter. United fans didn't choose the Glazers any more than we chose the Sheik. Seemingly we got lucky, Seemingly Portsmouth got very unlucky, and United / Liverpool got somewhere in between.

Pot luck for everybody, and sod all to do with the football or us fans. That stuff happens 'to' us, but because of us.

We are also on thin ice as a Country if the actions of of a certain Mr Blair reflect what democracy can teach other nations.

United fans could always stop buying the sweat shop football shirts.

Or perhaps the footballs they were caught making in India for 1p an hour with the United logo on?

Or even the Aeroflot deal.

You know the national airline of a country that does not recognise homosexuality, or poisons people abroad with a little extra in their tea.

Fucking red scum sucking hypocritical filth.

Let's not forget the dodgy meat some of us were fed for school meals.....

 

[Bodicoteblue]

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Blimey!! Lessons in morality from rags ! Who'd have thunk?
We've surely come a long way from " Ickle City "

 

[Newman Noggs]

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Barca84:

Sorry but you don't get to choose when we move on. I'll pass on your lack of knowledge of my ethical shopping habits but will take you up on a couple of things:

This thread is about FFP and City and the discussion is entirely appropriate as there would not be the need for FFP if it was not for owners such as those currently presiding over City. We've also had discussion about why they are involved and I've given the solid perspective of many re their need to effectively launder their global image using City as their vehicle. Both Amnesty International and HRW have also specificaly raised this in the public arena as a matter of concern and one for fans of football clubs to be aware of. Interestingly your owners got a far rougher ride when trying to buy into the MLS as opposed to the welcome offered here on these shores and there was significant opposition on the ground s of their human rights position. We are supposed to have fit and proper person tests for ownership of clubs which begs the question of what exactly is permissible and what isn't. For your info I've been an opponent of the Glazers and before them the Edwards family who were also leeches on a slightly lower scale. However none of this lot can hold a candle to Mansour and his ilk.

You've responded little beyond some facile argument that we're all complicit in human rights issues however far removed and, as such, have no grounds for having a pop at UAE despots. Remarkable and really quite indefensible.

For future reference I'll be bringing this up again in discussion of these people and will continue to do so until they do something about their violations of the basic human rights of their own people.

Cheers

Oh dear. quite a little tantrum. I expect he's stamping his feet too. Little point in arguing with this guy he's a zealot who has a superiority complex over everyone and everything. He's so certain of his own moral rectitude he will continue pontificating until someone twats him and teaches him a little bit about life in the real world. For his own sake I hope the insufferable little twat meets that person soon.

 

[aguero93:20]

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What's ' Barca84' on about? I've been a member of Amnesty for 8 years and I've never gotten anything about Abu Dhabi (and they send lots of literature and I read all of it). They've said plenty about Sweatshops, Rendition, Black sites and Guantanamo bay though...

 

[stony]

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What's ' Barca84' on about? I've been a member of Amnesty for 8 years and I've never gotten anything about Abu Dhabi (and they send lots of literature and I read all of it). They've said plenty about Sweatshops, Rendition, Black sites and Guantanamo bay though...

Sign up and put him straight.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

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Barca84:

Sorry but you don't get to choose when we move on. I'll pass on your lack of knowledge of my ethical shopping habits but will take you up on a couple of things:

This thread is about FFP and City and the discussion is entirely appropriate as there would not be the need for FFP if it was not for owners such as those currently presiding over City. We've also had discussion about why they are involved and I've given the solid perspective of many re their need to effectively launder their global image using City as their vehicle. Both Amnesty International and HRW have also specificaly raised this in the public arena as a matter of concern and one for fans of football clubs to be aware of. Interestingly your owners got a far rougher ride when trying to buy into the MLS as opposed to the welcome offered here on these shores and there was significant opposition on the ground s of their human rights position. We are supposed to have fit and proper person tests for ownership of clubs which begs the question of what exactly is permissible and what isn't. For your info I've been an opponent of the Glazers and before them the Edwards family who were also leeches on a slightly lower scale. However none of this lot can hold a candle to Mansour and his ilk.

You've responded little beyond some facile argument that we're all complicit in human rights issues however far removed and, as such, have no grounds for having a pop at UAE despots. Remarkable and really quite indefensible.

For future reference I'll be bringing this up again in discussion of these people and will continue to do so until they do something about their violations of the basic human rights of their own people.

Cheers

Oh dear. quite a little tantrum. I expect he's stamping his feet too. Little point in arguing with this guy he's a zealot who has a superiority complex over everyone and everything. He's so certain of his own moral rectitude he will continue pontificating until someone twats him and teaches him a little bit about life in the real world. For his own sake I hope the insufferable little twat meets that person soon.

He'll be waiting a while for my come back.

Have to scrape it off his mother's teeth first.

Red filth.

 

[aguero93:20]

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What's ' Barca84' on about? I've been a member of Amnesty for 8 years and I've never gotten anything about Abu Dhabi (and they send lots of literature and I read all of it). They've said plenty about Sweatshops, Rendition, Black sites and Guantanamo bay though...

Sign up and put him straight.

Sign up? No thanks, someone with an account on there can paste from amnesty's website though, should be easy enough.

 

[FanchesterCity]

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There was a need for FFP way before City's owners arrived (even before Abramovich). Clubs were in financial dire straits prior to the formation of the PL which was deemed to be a bit of a saviour at the time.

Manchester United were one of the clubs looking to form a breakaway league of their own, in order to secure the best financial deal for themselves, where clearly their concern for the wider picture of football was scant.

Financial Fair Play has a leg in two camps (theoretically):

1) To create a more prosperous and secure financial situation for all club - in preventing clubs from taking serious financial risks
2) More latterly, to curtail the excessive spending of clubs with very wealthy benefactors (which they deem to be skewing the market and fairness of the game).

With regard to 1) United didn't care a jot about other clubs when they wanted to form their own league and grab ITV's tv money. The believed they were one of the big clubs (rightly) and thus deserved the lions share of the rewards (ultimately at the expense of most other clubs)

With regard to 2) United's undeniable strength as a corporation has afforded them great wealth. With that wealth, they have increased purchasing power which allows them to buy the best players and pay some of the highest wages. Nobody really denies they've earned their money (one way or another), but still, the fact remains, the deepest pockets buy the best players which skews the 'even playing field' on the pitch.
It's not United's fault, but they really shouldn't overlook the reality that their wealth affords them an increased chance of success.

Manchester City were not as fortunate in being able to generate their own wealth. They got lucky - nobody denies that. But now, the issue seems to have changed from 'who can buy increased odds of success' to 'it depends how you earned the money'.... as if there's a legitimate way to buy success and a non-legitimate way.

Clubs can win matches with a lucky goal. Should those matches be void because it was luck and not footballing mastery? - no. It's just luck.
Clubs can come into money with a lucky (rich) benefactor. Should that source of wealth be discounted because it's lucky? - no, It's just luck.

The game is supposed to be about two teams of 11 players battling it out on the pitch to win. But in reality it's been about the commercial acumen of the 'business' behind clubs that determines a great deal of success instead.

I don't think City can deny they've bought a massive chance of success, and it's working for us (by and large), but it's pure folly to believe that's not the case with Manchester United or Liverpool, or many other clubs.

I will also not deny that they've brought through some fantastic players (especially in Ferguson's reign, but prior to that too), but they supplemented them with some of the world's best players.

The likes of United (and City for that matter) are always going to be able to cherry pick the better young lads over the likes of Rochdale / Oldham / Bury etc. That's not because of any magical skill in talent spotting... it's because we're bigger corporations with more prestige and young lads want to join the big teams (generally). United are one of the biggest corporations in the footballing world, THAT is a very large part of how they attract the best young talent.

Many United fans would have you believe they take the same young talent as everybody else and sprinkle magic United fairy dust on them - turning them into world stars. It's a myth.

 

[M18CTID]

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Barca84:

Sorry but you don't get to choose when we move on. I'll pass on your lack of knowledge of my ethical shopping habits but will take you up on a couple of things:

This thread is about FFP and City and the discussion is entirely appropriate as there would not be the need for FFP if it was not for owners such as those currently presiding over City. We've also had discussion about why they are involved and I've given the solid perspective of many re their need to effectively launder their global image using City as their vehicle. Both Amnesty International and HRW have also specificaly raised this in the public arena as a matter of concern and one for fans of football clubs to be aware of. Interestingly your owners got a far rougher ride when trying to buy into the MLS as opposed to the welcome offered here on these shores and there was significant opposition on the ground s of their human rights position. We are supposed to have fit and proper person tests for ownership of clubs which begs the question of what exactly is permissible and what isn't. For your info I've been an opponent of the Glazers and before them the Edwards family who were also leeches on a slightly lower scale. However none of this lot can hold a candle to Mansour and his ilk.

You've responded little beyond some facile argument that we're all complicit in human rights issues however far removed and, as such, have no grounds for having a pop at UAE despots. Remarkable and really quite indefensible.

For future reference I'll be bringing this up again in discussion of these people and will continue to do so until they do something about their violations of the basic human rights of their own people.

Cheers

Oh dear. quite a little tantrum. I expect he's stamping his feet too. Little point in arguing with this guy he's a zealot who has a superiority complex over everyone and everything. He's so certain of his own moral rectitude he will continue pontificating until someone twats him and teaches him a little bit about life in the real world. For his own sake I hope the insufferable little twat meets that person soon.

I think it's much simpler than that. I would take an educated guess that Barca84 is not a member of Amnesty International, doesn't give 2 shits about alleged human rights abuses in Abu Dhabi, and is only using it as a smokescreen for his real gripe - he's a bitter and twisted United fan that thought he was destined for a lifetime of taking the piss out of City and hasn't got a fucking clue how to cope with the rapid rise of our club. No football fan, least of all a United fan, can genuinely be so precious and moralistic. Not a fucking chance.

I hope our continued progression and success ruins the **** for decades to come.

 

[Clevers]

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HRW - yeah right - last time I looked the only country they didn't have a complaint against was Iceland.

MLS - USA such a bastion of human rights.