City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

gh_mcfc said:
wenger is a trying to manipulate the media against us again. I wouldn't be surprised if its the first of many briefings from the axis powers.
The stupid bitter git doesn't realise the only cost we are saving is wage which with players leaving etc we could have covered any way.
We need to defeat FFP . They will try new rules from fear all the time but we need win the FFP case.
If you haven't done so yet please show your support for the legal action via
<a class="postlink" href="Http://fairplayfc.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">Http://fairplayfc.org</a>.
Also follow us at @ffp_off
I will keep everyone updated as we go through the court process.
Any support in spreading the word with qpr/Leicester / villa fans who are being g affected would be appreciated .

worth quoting the full fairplayfc.org page again and copying it onto as many fansites etc as we can

UEFA Financial Fairplay – Fairplay for Who ?
<a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans</a>


UEFA break-even requirement », i.e. the cornerstone of the UEFA Financial Fair Play regulations, is in my view, as a football club supporter, anticompetitive and unfair, in particular since:

- If ossifies the market structure, so that the established UEFA elite is protected forever from any potential serious sporting challenge.

- Consequently, this rule is a dream killer for all supporters of all clubs (in particular “sleeping giant” clubs), that can only hit the “glass ceiling” above them and will never catch up with the established elite (even if part of this elite has been building success on huge debts, since debts are not taken into account by the UEFA rule).

- Since this rule excludes funding from the owners and consequently focuses on turnover, it is once again the fans who will come under pressure to provide the extra income needed via increased prices (tickets, catering, merchandise, TV subscriptions, etc.).


Supposedly FFP is there to protect the future of football, to prevent clubs from spending too much and to save clubs from going bust.

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans</a>

Leeds Utd would have passed FFP

Rangers would have passed FFP

Portsmouth would have passed FFP

Under FFP debt is fine, clubs in debt are fine as long as they can pay the interest . Under FFP clubs with millions of debt can spend millions. Under FFP clubs with no debt are limited to what they can spend. Funnily enough the clubs that wrote the rules are in debt and have large enough turnovers (because they are big clubs) to pay the bills. Under FFP investment from a single entity is wrong (PSG , MCFC). Investment from multiple entities is okay (Bayern).Under FFP different tax laws across countries are ignored. Under FFP historical spending is ignored. Under FFP dodgey land sales of the past are ignored. Under FFP differences in TV rights are ignored. Under FFP investment in local communities and the future is disregarded. Under FFP clubs are limited in establishing a brand able to survive under FFP. Under FFP the only way to make the money to compete with the established clubs is to charge more for sponsorship, shirt sales, ticket prices. All of which affects the fans.

FFP is there to protect the established historically big clubs. Brought in out of fear and is ultimately killing the dreams of small clubs that a “Manchester City” may happen to them. At the same time it limits choice for the casual football consumer and increases costs for all football consumers.

FFP is the wrong way to introduce fairness and transparency in football

Show you support the complaint to the EU – like the following pages

Uk Fans - <a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans</a>

PSG fans - <a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/supporterscontrelefairplayfinancier?ref=hl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/supporterscont ... ier?ref=hl</a>]
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

George Hannah said:
gh_mcfc said:
wenger is a trying to manipulate the media against us again. I wouldn't be surprised if its the first of many briefings from the axis powers.
The stupid bitter git doesn't realise the only cost we are saving is wage which with players leaving etc we could have covered any way.
We need to defeat FFP . They will try new rules from fear all the time but we need win the FFP case.
If you haven't done so yet please show your support for the legal action via
<a class="postlink" href="Http://fairplayfc.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">Http://fairplayfc.org</a>.
Also follow us at @ffp_off
I will keep everyone updated as we go through the court process.
Any support in spreading the word with qpr/Leicester / villa fans who are being g affected would be appreciated .

worth quoting the full fairplayfc.org page again and copying it onto as many fansites etc as we can

UEFA Financial Fairplay – Fairplay for Who ?
<a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans</a>


UEFA break-even requirement », i.e. the cornerstone of the UEFA Financial Fair Play regulations, is in my view, as a football club supporter, anticompetitive and unfair, in particular since:

- If ossifies the market structure, so that the established UEFA elite is protected forever from any potential serious sporting challenge.

- Consequently, this rule is a dream killer for all supporters of all clubs (in particular “sleeping giant” clubs), that can only hit the “glass ceiling” above them and will never catch up with the established elite (even if part of this elite has been building success on huge debts, since debts are not taken into account by the UEFA rule).

- Since this rule excludes funding from the owners and consequently focuses on turnover, it is once again the fans who will come under pressure to provide the extra income needed via increased prices (tickets, catering, merchandise, TV subscriptions, etc.).


Supposedly FFP is there to protect the future of football, to prevent clubs from spending too much and to save clubs from going bust.

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans</a>

Leeds Utd would have passed FFP

Rangers would have passed FFP

Portsmouth would have passed FFP

Under FFP debt is fine, clubs in debt are fine as long as they can pay the interest . Under FFP clubs with millions of debt can spend millions. Under FFP clubs with no debt are limited to what they can spend. Funnily enough the clubs that wrote the rules are in debt and have large enough turnovers (because they are big clubs) to pay the bills. Under FFP investment from a single entity is wrong (PSG , MCFC). Investment from multiple entities is okay (Bayern).Under FFP different tax laws across countries are ignored. Under FFP historical spending is ignored. Under FFP dodgey land sales of the past are ignored. Under FFP differences in TV rights are ignored. Under FFP investment in local communities and the future is disregarded. Under FFP clubs are limited in establishing a brand able to survive under FFP. Under FFP the only way to make the money to compete with the established clubs is to charge more for sponsorship, shirt sales, ticket prices. All of which affects the fans.

FFP is there to protect the established historically big clubs. Brought in out of fear and is ultimately killing the dreams of small clubs that a “Manchester City” may happen to them. At the same time it limits choice for the casual football consumer and increases costs for all football consumers.

FFP is the wrong way to introduce fairness and transparency in football

Show you support the complaint to the EU – like the following pages

Uk Fans - <a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans</a>

PSG fans - <a class="postlink" href="https://www.facebook.com/supporterscontrelefairplayfinancier?ref=hl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.facebook.com/supporterscont ... ier?ref=hl</a>]

On my hols with crap wifi connections so any help appreciated . Had some media interest which I will follow up selectively next week.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

I see us owning other clubs no different to the a yanks who own Liverpool and United having other sports teams in the States, except ours is are football teams and not baseball or American football. Boo Hoo Wenger you jealous bastard get over it.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

So it's ok for Wenger to loan Thierry Henry back during the MLS close season, and nobody bat an eyelid?

Similar concept, except they don't own the club he's registered to.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Let the Seethe Commence, I feel its going to get even stronger as each day goes by, how very fuckin dare we gatecrash their party..
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Blue Maverick said:
I see us owning other clubs no different to the a yanks who own Liverpool and United having other sports teams in the States, except ours is are football teams and not baseball or American football. Boo Hoo Wenger you jealous bastard get over it.

I've just posted something in the Arsenal thread on the general forum but will repeat it here. As much as Wenger should stop talking about us when questioned by reporters, if you look at his actual comments they're not as bad as the newspaper headlines suggest.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

M18CTID said:
Blue Maverick said:
I see us owning other clubs no different to the a yanks who own Liverpool and United having other sports teams in the States, except ours is are football teams and not baseball or American football. Boo Hoo Wenger you jealous bastard get over it.

I've just posted something in the Arsenal thread on the general forum but will repeat it here. As much as Wenger should stop talking about us when questioned by reporters, if you look at his actual comments they're not as bad as the newspaper headlines suggest.

Yes, that may be the case but he knows full well how his comments will be picked up and reported. He doesn't have to sit on his hind legs and scream 'it's not fair', the press will do that for him.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

I still say that City should have taken UEFA to court over FFP. Rather than 'play the game' and go along with it for now, all that's happened is a continuity in persistent backbiting by our critics, Wenger being the Commander-in-Chief, and the inference is that City continue to act dirty. It has been argued on this forum that Sheikh Mansour's executives have been clever, but they may have also been too clever or not clever enough. By taking the FFP issue to Court, we would have had this sorted out and if Wenger had persisted with his backbiting, maybe we could have hit him with a writ.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Instead of all the complicated rules and formulas associated with FFP would it not have been simpler to say you are not allowed any debts?

Any club completely debt free would be allowed to compete in UEFA competitions, those with debts would not.

But no they come up with a complicated system that is aimed at MCFC and their owners and which can be interpreted any way it suits them.

We should have taken legal action.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

gh_mcfc said:
wenger is a trying to manipulate the media against us again. I wouldn't be surprised if its the first of many briefings from the axis powers.

The stupid bitter git doesn't realise the only cost we are saving is wage which with players leaving etc we could have covered any way.

We need to defeat FFP . They will try new rules from fear all the time but we need win the FFP case.

If you haven't done so yet please show your support for the legal action via

<a class="postlink" href="Http://fairplayfc.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">Http://fairplayfc.org</a>.

Also follow us at @ffp_off

I will keep everyone updated as we go through the court process.

Any support in spreading the word with qpr/Leicester / villa fans who are being g affected would be appreciated .

A noble effort, but with 140 likes, it's probably about 49,999,860 short of being powerful enough to get things changed.
 

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