City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

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Even though ffp is a joke, I'm not sure we'd be doing anything differently if it didn't exist. We clearly have a strategy we're following.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Sheikh new something was coming when he bought the club. It's been mooted for years.

I think the sheikh pulled a flanker on this one .
He did nothing to disabuse the "elite " of the notion that he was a "sugar daddy" prepared to pump any sort of silly money into the club just to win things , and then walk away when bored yadda yadda , being secure in the knowledge that the panic stricken elite would come up with a half assed ill-conceived plan to stop that eventuality. They of course , did exactly that , and came up withFFP which in the will actually protect his interests , rather than hinder them in the long term ,because in their haste , none of them spotted the actual plan for sustainability and growth that he was actually going to pursue.
He's cleverer than they are , as if we didn't know.

I don't actually think you're right here , Bodicoteblue. I think the Sheikh was aware in 2008 that UEFA were planning some form of regulation, but the details were unclear. In 2008 he promised us a ten year plan to make us a self-sustaining member of the "elite", but as UEFA's plans became clearer the ten year plan had to be accelerated, and I think we must all marvel at the success with which that has been accomplished. The "player acquisition strategy" was the key element, to bring success and increase revenue, and City clearly believed they had done this and complied with FFPR, and that UEFA pulled a fast one to fail us. The obvious bad temper of City's statement showed that, and raised te threat of court action if UEFA ever interfered again. The fact appears to be that the the people in charge of City are simply to good at what they do for UEFA or anyone else to halt the City juggernaut. The "old elite" created a game fit for businessmen to play, but never thought that the real businessmen would move in. The Sheikh doesn't need flankers and tricks - it's UEFA and the old elite who had to try them. The Sheikh simply does things the right way, the Abu Dhabi way - the City way.

 

[cheekybids]

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If I was an incredibly powerful businessman with wealth and influence beyond most people imagination pissed off by some greedy x footballers and administrators I'd be interested in their personal finances and find a way to fucking ruin them. Think about how the G14 have tried to bully the sheik, now think about how this man has influence in oil, banking, property. Platini, gill etc are small fry compared to the sheik in every but football so sit back and get the pop corn they'll be selling the big issue on a street near you.

 

[BlueAnorak]

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Look - you've got it all wrong.
FFP is not an acronym for Financial Fair Play
The acronym FFP is Fix Football Permanently

Now you should understand the point of it.
Cary on.

 

[FanchesterCity]

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It was always known that the G14 were essentially 'the elite' and we wanted to become part of that. It was always going to be tricky, and UEFA were putting up barriers to entry. We knew all this, as did many reporters who were using the term 'before the drawbridge closes'.

We knew the drawbridge WAS closing, which City themselves explained was a large part of the need for accelerated investment, or in other words, spend like crazy whilst we still could (and accepting that we'd have to pay over the odds, and not necessarily get all the players we would have liked because we simply didn't have the stature necessary).

Our stature has improved a great deal now, but it's still not comparable to the truly big clubs of the world. But it's real progress and instead of just being an 'exciting project' we've become a HIGHLY CREDIBLE exciting prospect. 5 years ago, winning something with City was a significant gamble, but now it's a fairly safe bet.

UEFA is highly political, but so is most business. City know this, and have to strike a balance between dogmatism and pragmatism. So far they seem to be doing pretty well at it. The media are talking about us in generally positive terms (I'm not talking about matches, but as a business and the transformation of Eastlands). We've managed to avoid a lot of the drama we had with Tevez, Mancini, Balo etc and now we have a very 'clean living' image. Yaya's escapades didn't help up much, but overall, we appear to be very 'considered' in our actions, and give off all the right signals for sponsors. Exciting, successful, clean living and generally likable.

Ultimately though, there's a limit to how much we can grow in a short space of time. We can't come United or Real Madrid overnight. It DOES take years of success and PR. But we can say that was we've managed so far has already been more than most ever imagined.

 

[Mr. Aguia]

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Martin Samuel at last saying it as it is...:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ir-Play-gift-club-owners-buy-Aston-Villa.html

While I agree with the sentiment of the article, I am not sure it is accurate. Since Urfas FFP does not apply unless you are in a European competition, it should not hinder investment in clubs like Villa. Look at Liverpool. They spent heavily, are foul of FFP, but have no sanction.

A rich owner could buy villa. Invest heavily in the early years, and presumably turn a profit by moving into the top 4 (through tv money, etc).

Don't the prem have their own ffp?

Yes. If I'm not mistaken it's focused on wages. So a club can't spend big on players to get into the UCL because the increased wages would fail the FA FFP.

THe only point I disagreed with Martin Samuel on was that he felt Platini was "duped". I disagree. I don't think for 1 second he didn't know what the real motive of FFP was. IMO he's all for that. His focus has been on sponsors and making money. What better way to increase profits for UEFA than to ensure that Europe's elite are guaranteed to not only be in the UCL every year but go very deep into the competition. Killing off any chance of a Cinderella club spoiling the party. If they can "guarantee" that the Rags, Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Juve, Milan, LFC, AFC and the like will be in the UCL every year and that the final 4 will be 4 of those clubs than they can milk the sponsors and broadcasters can get even more from commercial sales, thereby making UEFA more money when renegotiation come up.

 

[Helmet Cole]

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just as our apparent acceptance of the FFP ruling was seen as us agreeing to bend over and 'take it' the Lampard loan is a nice 'fuck you'to uefa which I'd guess has been legally double checked and checked again. There is nothing to stop the Messi's and tranny's 'retiring' to the subsidiary clubs and coming 'on loan'. The angry old lesbian at Arsenal had better get used to it.

 

[stony]

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just as our apparent acceptance of the FFP ruling was seen as us agreeing to bend over and 'take it' the Lampard loan is a nice 'fuck you'to uefa which I'd guess has been legally double checked and checked again. There is nothing to stop the Messi's and tranny's 'retiring' to the subsidiary clubs and coming 'on loan'. The angry old lesbian at Arsenal had better get used to it.

There's also nothing to stop them from changing the rules again to try and keep us at bay. The greedy men in charge of the so called elite clubs are casting nervous and resentful eyes on upon us. The contempt has not gone away, but the penny is starting to drop and they are getting twitchy. Which is why Wenger has gone public with his bitter little tirade about ffp. The fans might be stupid enough to think that our investment into other leagues is some devious and dirty way of cheating ffp, and the owners of Arsenal, the rags, Liverpool etc are happy for them to think that. I suspect however that they know different, and the scope of our expansion and plans for globalization are really starting to worry them. They might be ahead of us in terms of global fanbases and with it the ability to attract sponsors, but with the purchase of NYC and Melbourne, they know we have stolen a march on them and they will do anything they can to stop us.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a court case or two in the not too distant future.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

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They want clubs run on a sound financial business model. Franchising is a well tested, legal and ethical business model. It is transparent as well. We should have been allowed to use the income for image rights - a fundamental part of Franchising income streams, but we're not. I guess we will be prevented from utilising assets held within the Franchise to.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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just as our apparent acceptance of the FFP ruling was seen as us agreeing to bend over and 'take it' the Lampard loan is a nice 'fuck you'to uefa which I'd guess has been legally double checked and checked again. There is nothing to stop the Messi's and tranny's 'retiring' to the subsidiary clubs and coming 'on loan'. The angry old lesbian at Arsenal had better get used to it.

There's also nothing to stop them from changing the rules again to try and keep us at bay...

Very true. They've already done so by "reinterpreting" the rule on how and whether previous losses could be excluded from the break-even result. And then by getting us to agree as part of the latest sanctions, to restrictions on inter-company revenues (which are perfectly allowable under FFP published rules), they have effectively changed the rules again. So it's plain to see that these guys are prepared to change any rules they like in order to stop us.

The question is, how much of this overt cheating by UEFA will Sheikh Mansour tolerate before he decides to adopt a more confrontational approach? So far, he's played Mr Nice. UEFA probably realise this too. They want him playing within the system, not outside throwing rocks at them, so they will have to think very carefully about any future "adjustments" so that it doesn't push us into bring more directly confrontational.

 

[gh_mcfc]

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wenger is a trying to manipulate the media against us again. I wouldn't be surprised if its the first of many briefings from the axis powers.

The stupid bitter git doesn't realise the only cost we are saving is wage which with players leaving etc we could have covered any way.

We need to defeat FFP . They will try new rules from fear all the time but we need win the FFP case.

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I will keep everyone updated as we go through the court process.

Any support in spreading the word with qpr/Leicester / villa fans who are being g affected would be appreciated .