City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[BlueAnorak]

The journos didn't come out against FFP because they had a conversion on the road to Damascus or sudden fit of conscience. They were briefed against it, possibly by us (which I assume we've been doing for a while without much success), more probably by other influential clubs.

It takes a while to sink through very think skulls PB.

If it was introduced (by those same clubs) to keep us at bay, it's failed and now they realise they've trapped themselves. The rags have spent loads but they've lost income and have only made profits because of tax credits, not real money. They can't use those for FFP. Liverpool are fucked completely and Arsenal don't have the muscle. Even Chelsea have to rely on selling players at inflated values to keep pace. So now FFP is bad but if they loosen the rules then we'll take advantage just the same.

Let the fuckers stew in their own juice is all I can say.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Fuck AC Milan.

 

[aguero93:20]

Fuck AC Milan.

And all the other G14+Chelski clubs feeling the pinch, disrespectful motherfuckers.

:)

 

[Marvin]

The journos didn't come out against FFP because they had a conversion on the road to Damascus or sudden fit of conscience. They were briefed against it, possibly by us (which I assume we've been doing for a while without much success), more probably by other influential clubs.

It takes a while to sink through very think skulls PB.

If it was introduced (by those same clubs) to keep us at bay, it's failed and now they realise they've trapped themselves. The rags have spent loads but they've lost income and have only made profits because of tax credits, not real money. They can't use those for FFP. Liverpool are fucked completely and Arsenal don't have the muscle. Even Chelsea have to rely on selling players at inflated values to keep pace. So now FFP is bad but if they loosen the rules then we'll take advantage just the same.

Let the fuckers stew in their own juice is all I can say.

It doesn't surprise me that so many journalists fell in line with Financial Fair Play. They never look that closely at anything after all. They are just there to print endless stories bigging up the most popular clubs so that they can sell papers and get interest to sell advertising.

It does surprise me that the football industry outside of Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal etc got caught up with enthusiasm for Financial Fair Play. The end result is that the net worth of clubs like Newcastle and Villa have plummeted. There used to be a rush of hot money towards Premiership football with a takeover every other month, now no one can buy or sell a Premiership football club unless they are really desperate to sell.

The only clubs that have a chance of breaking the top 4 are the London clubs like Spurs and West Ham who sitting on the London gold mine could generate a lot of income with big stadia and sponsorships. Given good management, both those clubs could break the top 4 and Arsenal and Utd had better be very careful. West Ham and Spurs are both going to be playing in front of 50,000 plus crowds soon.

 

[M18CTID]

The journos didn't come out against FFP because they had a conversion on the road to Damascus or sudden fit of conscience. They were briefed against it, possibly by us (which I assume we've been doing for a while without much success), more probably by other influential clubs.

It takes a while to sink through very think skulls PB.

If it was introduced (by those same clubs) to keep us at bay, it's failed and now they realise they've trapped themselves. The rags have spent loads but they've lost income and have only made profits because of tax credits, not real money. They can't use those for FFP. Liverpool are fucked completely and Arsenal don't have the muscle. Even Chelsea have to rely on selling players at inflated values to keep pace. So now FFP is bad but if they loosen the rules then we'll take advantage just the same.

Let the fuckers stew in their own juice is all I can say.

It doesn't surprise me that so many journalists fell in line with Financial Fair Play. They never look that closely at anything after all. They are just there to print endless stories bigging up the most popular clubs so that they can sell papers and get interest to sell advertising.

It does surprise me that the football industry outside of Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal etc got caught up with enthusiasm for Financial Fair Play. The end result is that the net worth of clubs like Newcastle and Villa have plummeted. There used to be a rush of hot money towards Premiership football with a takeover every other month, now no one can buy or sell a Premiership football club unless they are really desperate to sell.

The only clubs that have a chance of breaking the top 4 are the London clubs like Spurs and West Ham who sitting on the London gold mine could generate a lot of income with big stadia and sponsorships. Given good management, both those clubs could break the top 4 and Arsenal and Utd had better be very careful. West Ham and Spurs are both going to be playing in front of 50,000 plus crowds soon.

Spot on. That last paragraph echoes what I was discussing with a Gooner on that Untold Arsenal site a while back. Unlike most of the muppets on there, he was quite a good poster but somewhat laughably tried to claim any club, with good management and a good youth policy, could come from nowhere and smash the cartel of elite clubs without having to spend big money from a rich benefactor. I explained that what he was saying was a total pipe dream for the majority of clubs and the only clubs that could realistically do such a thing were West Ham and Spurs and that was primarily down to London weighting, whereas similar sized clubs in other areas of the country had next to no chance of "organically" growing to the point where they could seriously challenge for the league, etc.

 

[Marvin]

It takes a while to sink through very think skulls PB.


Let the fuckers stew in their own juice is all I can say.

It doesn't surprise me that so many journalists fell in line with Financial Fair Play. They never look that closely at anything after all. They are just there to print endless stories bigging up the most popular clubs so that they can sell papers and get interest to sell advertising.

It does surprise me that the football industry outside of Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal etc got caught up with enthusiasm for Financial Fair Play. The end result is that the net worth of clubs like Newcastle and Villa have plummeted. There used to be a rush of hot money towards Premiership football with a takeover every other month, now no one can buy or sell a Premiership football club unless they are really desperate to sell.

The only clubs that have a chance of breaking the top 4 are the London clubs like Spurs and West Ham who sitting on the London gold mine could generate a lot of income with big stadia and sponsorships. Given good management, both those clubs could break the top 4 and Arsenal and Utd had better be very careful. West Ham and Spurs are both going to be playing in front of 50,000 plus crowds soon.

Spot on. That last paragraph echoes what I was discussing with a Gooner on that Untold Arsenal site a while back. Unlike most of the muppets on there, he was quite a good poster but somewhat laughably tried to claim any club, with good management and a good youth policy, could come from nowhere and smash the cartel of elite clubs without having to spend big money from a rich benefactor. I explained that what he was saying was a total pipe dream for the majority of clubs and the only clubs that could realistically do such a thing were West Ham and Spurs and that was primarily down to London weighting, whereas similar sized clubs in other areas of the country had next to no chance of "organically" growing to the point where they could seriously challenge for the league, etc.

Match-day income is a much smaller element of income than it used to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs and West Ham make a big effort at gate-crashing the top 4. That's how it should be, but now it will be fraught with problems, but if any clubs are going to do it in the foreseeable future I think it will be them

Another factor is that clubs like Southampton have been able to buy a lot of good players reasonably cheaply whilst clubs like Arsenal, and Liverpool have gone backwards. It's easier to remain in the top 4 once you are in there as it's not a level playing field, but if a club like AC Milan can cock it up, then it can happen to anyone

 

[jrb]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but........

Barcelona will not be allowed to sign any players in 2015 after their appeal against a transfer ban was dismissed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

The Spanish club was handed a 14-month ban in April after being found guilty of breaching Fifa's rules on the transfer of players aged under 18.

Fifa rejected an appeal in August but the pending appeal to Cas allowed Barca to sign players including Luis Suarez.

Barcelona has expressed its "utter nonconformity with the resolution".

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30633737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30633737</a>

So not matter if Barcelona comply with FFP or not, they can't sign a player in 2015.

On the flip side, Messi won't be going anywhere for at least another season.

 

[Centurions]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but........

Barcelona will not be allowed to sign any players in 2015 after their appeal against a transfer ban was dismissed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

The Spanish club was handed a 14-month ban in April after being found guilty of breaching Fifa's rules on the transfer of players aged under 18.

Fifa rejected an appeal in August but the pending appeal to Cas allowed Barca to sign players including Luis Suarez.

Barcelona has expressed its "utter nonconformity with the resolution".

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30633737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30633737</a>

So not matter if Barcelona comply with FFP or not, they can't sign a player in 2015.

On the flip side, Messi won't be going anywhere for at least another season.

They can still sell and given their money problems and how much they spent last summer perhaps now or more likely next summer would be a good time to cash in. The fans can't complain that the monies not been spent on replacements after all.

 

[bluechampion7891]

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but........

Barcelona will not be allowed to sign any players in 2015 after their appeal against a transfer ban was dismissed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

The Spanish club was handed a 14-month ban in April after being found guilty of breaching Fifa's rules on the transfer of players aged under 18.

Fifa rejected an appeal in August but the pending appeal to Cas allowed Barca to sign players including Luis Suarez.

Barcelona has expressed its "utter nonconformity with the resolution".

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30633737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30633737</a>

So not matter if Barcelona comply with FFP or not, they can't sign a player in 2015.

On the flip side, Messi won't be going anywhere for at least another season.

it means he will be 29 after their restrictions are over

 

[Ray78]

It doesn't stop us from activating his release clause. It means they cannot buy a replacement but with them signing Neymar and Chewy they aren't exactly short of fire power,