City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[SilverFox2]

I wonder what the reaction of our owner and his right hand man Mr K. will be ?

I'm pretty sure they did not expect this abject surrender by our collective team.
As football supporters they may think like we do about replacing those who have not performed. As businessmen they may not be willing to gamble large amounts of money on individual players given the collective surrender they are currently witnessing.
Maybe they will write off this season and just make money next year by not spending heavily ?

Certainly there will be casualties but will they really gamble again on very expensive replacements who seem to have a habit of being outplayed by inexpensive teams who act together to score more than they concede (at least against us they do).

 

[r.soleofsalford]

if we fall in line with our break even prediction and we still get punished then without question we will fight it this time. If we dont get top 4 it wont really matter any way so we should just go apeshit!

This ^^^

It will matter as we will still be in Europe. Remember the Europa League?

havent we got to finish in the top 6 to get in europe

 

[City Raider]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

theyve had their way with us and there'll be a few smug smiles across a few boardrooms tonight

 

[Leech]

Why would we get punished if we fall in line with the €10m maximum allowable loss?

Sorry colin what I meant was the club expect to break even so if we got punished we would fight it this time.

I think I see what you're saying. Perhaps I'm being a bit naïve but we know what target we have to hit financially and so does everyone else. I expect a small net profit so with about £20m to add back to that we'll be well clear of that target. I don't see how we could be punished if that's the case but in the event that we were, then I'd expect all hell to break loose.

Last season's punishment extends to limiting us this summer, but we're expecting this punishment to be redacted owing to this year's good financial performance.

That seems naive to me.

 

[Hung]

We really are fiddling while Rome burns if we twist and turn to comply. These ‘Rules’ are designed to ensure that we are ALWAYS at least a couple of steps behind the likes of Utd, Bayern, Barca etc. Yes, we may just about comply and avoid further fines etc, but we will not be able to compete, ever, with the ‘old guard’. We will bend over backwards to comply, but all we will be doing is reinforcing UEFA’s position and aiding their objective of keeping us down. Unless we are happy taking crumbs from the table in perpetuity, we have to fight sooner or later. Complying and being kept in our place is infinitely less appealing that fighting like fuck, causing all hell to break out and possibly losing with the ‘consequences’ that carries. From where I’m sitting, it doesn’t seem like we have much to lose, because if we don’t fight we are consigned to the ‘also rans camp’ equally if we fight and lose.

 

[LoveCity]

We really are fiddling while Rome burns if we twist and turn to comply. These ‘Rules’ are designed to ensure that we are ALWAYS at least a couple of steps behind the likes of Utd, Bayern, Barca etc. Yes, we may just about comply and avoid further fines etc, but we will not be able to compete, ever, with the ‘old guard’.

I disagree. Look, there's only so much you can spend each summer and as long as we stay on our course, we'll be able to spend £100m+ any summer we want.

But say we can spend £30m less than United every summer, it shouldn't matter if the club is run well. Because there is always value to be found and the best run clubs know how to find a healthy mix of super-deals and great value for money. Bayern are a great example... they splashed out on Gotze and Martinez, but found great value in Bernat and Alonso.

So we should be able to sign a Gareth Bale but also go and find a quality young midfielder or veteran who can add something for £10m. That's if our transfer strategy is done well. And hopefully our academy is the best in England in the near future (it's only behind Chelsea now I think) and save us money on buying 'squad players'.

 

[Hung]

We really are fiddling while Rome burns if we twist and turn to comply. These ‘Rules’ are designed to ensure that we are ALWAYS at least a couple of steps behind the likes of Utd, Bayern, Barca etc. Yes, we may just about comply and avoid further fines etc, but we will not be able to compete, ever, with the ‘old guard’.

I disagree. Look, there's only so much you can spend each summer and as long as we stay on our course, we'll be able to spend £100m+ any summer we want.

But say we can spend £30m less than United every summer, it shouldn't matter if the club is run well. Because there is always value to be found and the best run clubs know how to find a healthy mix of super-deals and great value for money. Bayern are a great example... they splashed out on Gotze and Martinez, but found great value in Bernat and Alonso.

So we should be able to sign a Gareth Bale but also go and find a quality young midfielder or veteran who can add something for £10m. That's if our transfer strategy is done well. And hopefully our academy is the best in England in the near future (it's only behind Chelsea now I think) and save us money on buying 'squad players'.

We shouldn’t have to be compelled to spend £30m less per season than Utd, particularly when those fuckers have £400m debt and we don’t have a penny. It means that every year, they can take a £30m gamble we can’t take and in the end, that will make a difference. What you are suggesting is that if we have a more effective approach in the transfer market, we’ll be fine, which may well be the case, but if the ‘big clubs’ have an equally effective approach, they will always be able to outgun us. If we are competing for the same players (as is likely), they will always be able to outbid us.

 

[EalingBlue2]

We really are fiddling while Rome burns if we twist and turn to comply. These ‘Rules’ are designed to ensure that we are ALWAYS at least a couple of steps behind the likes of Utd, Bayern, Barca etc. Yes, we may just about comply and avoid further fines etc, but we will not be able to compete, ever, with the ‘old guard’. We will bend over backwards to comply, but all we will be doing is reinforcing UEFA’s position and aiding their objective of keeping us down. Unless we are happy taking crumbs from the table in perpetuity, we have to fight sooner or later. Complying and being kept in our place is infinitely less appealing that fighting like fuck, causing all hell to break out and possibly losing with the ‘consequences’ that carries. From where I’m sitting, it doesn’t seem like we have much to lose, because if we don’t fight we are consigned to the ‘also rans camp’ equally if we fight and lose.

I think it is a crock of an excuse an absolute crock, only bayern, psg, rags, barca and Madrid have any real FFP advantage over us part from this year when you look at our turnover. One of those had the same punishment as we did last summer and another one is banned. Of the other three two spent big.

So whilst we can cry about this effecting us vs rags, Madrid and maybe bayern compared to any other of the thousands of teams in Europe it helps us. It's not like everyone else spent net 50m+ either.

Out problems:

Our last three managers have been incredibly tactically inflexible and haven't been able to shake things up. Pellegrini the worst of them

Our full backs are our most important position and we have had one world class full back over the last few years and he has been poor this year

Our recent managers have been too scared to play youth and that stops us shaking things up and also takes away an opportunity to get the fans behind us.

There is a mentality issue with a couple of players and something isn't right, the fans blame Yaya but I have a feeing maybe one of our saints Is the issue?

I think the atmosphere and feeling amongst the fans has been as flat as anything, with winning the league all the pent up hope, emotion, etc was released and as yet nothing has replaced it, the fans and atmosphere are emotionally flat, some local kids making the first team, a big champs league run or a rockstar player is needed to shake the whole club and especially the fans from a flat emotional lethargy !

FFP meant we took risks and could only address one position last summer and we did it wrong but overall I don't blame FFP.

The single biggest reason for the whole season in my view was the World Cup, we have never settled as a team this year, some players have never looked ready for the season and I think players like zabba are overplayed. Also I think the bad start meant we have never found our confidence , fitness or mojo

 

[bluefn]

We really are fiddling while Rome burns if we twist and turn to comply. These ‘Rules’ are designed to ensure that we are ALWAYS at least a couple of steps behind the likes of Utd, Bayern, Barca etc. Yes, we may just about comply and avoid further fines etc, but we will not be able to compete, ever, with the ‘old guard’. We will bend over backwards to comply, but all we will be doing is reinforcing UEFA’s position and aiding their objective of keeping us down. Unless we are happy taking crumbs from the table in perpetuity, we have to fight sooner or later. Complying and being kept in our place is infinitely less appealing that fighting like fuck, causing all hell to break out and possibly losing with the ‘consequences’ that carries. From where I’m sitting, it doesn’t seem like we have much to lose, because if we don’t fight we are consigned to the ‘also rans camp’ equally if we fight and lose.

I think it is a crock of an excuse an absolute crock, only bayern, psg, rags, barca and Madrid have any real FFP advantage over us part from this year when you look at our turnover. One of those had the same punishment as we did last summer and another one is banned. Of the other three two spent big.

So whilst we can cry about this effecting us vs rags, Madrid and maybe bayern compared to any other of the thousands of teams in Europe it helps us. It's not like everyone else spent net 50m+ either.

Out problems:

Our last three managers have been incredibly tactically inflexible and haven't been able to shake things up. Pellegrini the worst of them

Our full backs are our most important position and we have had one world class full back over the last few years and he has been poor this year

Our recent managers have been too scared to play youth and that stops us shaking things up and also takes away an opportunity to get the fans behind us.

There is a mentality issue with a couple of players and something isn't right, the fans blame Yaya but I have a feeing maybe one of our saints Is the issue?

I think the atmosphere and feeling amongst the fans has been as flat as anything, with winning the league all the pent up hope, emotion, etc was released and as yet nothing has replaced it, the fans and atmosphere are emotionally flat, some local kids making the first team, a big champs league run or a rockstar player is needed to shake the whole club and especially the fans from a flat emotional lethargy !

FFP meant we took risks and could only address one position last summer and we did it wrong but overall I don't blame FFP.

The single biggest reason for the whole season in my view was the World Cup, we have never settled as a team this year, some players have never looked ready for the season and I think players like zabba are overplayed. Also I think the bad start meant we have never found our confidence , fitness or mojo

I agree with the majority of this. I think to a man, performances on the pitch have produced a bigger impact than anything FFP could have in terms of the numbers. I think we are smart enough to find ways around it.

However, I don't think there is any doubt that the cartel have an agenda against us and its been a complete head fuck for the club. I think the impact has been more mental than number crunching and in that respect they are winning the battle. The fact they are making an example of us, just to protect the MAFIA tells us all we need to know.

I actually think, long term, UEFA will pay for this. There are some bent bastards in that organisation. It will only take an indepandant mind to step in there and the thing will belly up.

The problem with MAFIAs is they like keep it in the family so trying to disband the fuckers will be hard graft.

 

[Hung]

We really are fiddling while Rome burns if we twist and turn to comply. These ‘Rules’ are designed to ensure that we are ALWAYS at least a couple of steps behind the likes of Utd, Bayern, Barca etc. Yes, we may just about comply and avoid further fines etc, but we will not be able to compete, ever, with the ‘old guard’. We will bend over backwards to comply, but all we will be doing is reinforcing UEFA’s position and aiding their objective of keeping us down. Unless we are happy taking crumbs from the table in perpetuity, we have to fight sooner or later. Complying and being kept in our place is infinitely less appealing that fighting like fuck, causing all hell to break out and possibly losing with the ‘consequences’ that carries. From where I’m sitting, it doesn’t seem like we have much to lose, because if we don’t fight we are consigned to the ‘also rans camp’ equally if we fight and lose.

I think it is a crock of an excuse an absolute crock, only bayern, psg, rags, barca and Madrid have any real FFP advantage over us part from this year when you look at our turnover. One of those had the same punishment as we did last summer and another one is banned. Of the other three two spent big.

So whilst we can cry about this effecting us vs rags, Madrid and maybe bayern compared to any other of the thousands of teams in Europe it helps us. It's not like everyone else spent net 50m+ either.

Out problems:

Our last three managers have been incredibly tactically inflexible and haven't been able to shake things up. Pellegrini the worst of them

Our full backs are our most important position and we have had one world class full back over the last few years and he has been poor this year

Our recent managers have been too scared to play youth and that stops us shaking things up and also takes away an opportunity to get the fans behind us.

There is a mentality issue with a couple of players and something isn't right, the fans blame Yaya but I have a feeing maybe one of our saints Is the issue?

I think the atmosphere and feeling amongst the fans has been as flat as anything, with winning the league all the pent up hope, emotion, etc was released and as yet nothing has replaced it, the fans and atmosphere are emotionally flat, some local kids making the first team, a big champs league run or a rockstar player is needed to shake the whole club and especially the fans from a flat emotional lethargy !

FFP meant we took risks and could only address one position last summer and we did it wrong but overall I don't blame FFP.

The single biggest reason for the whole season in my view was the World Cup, we have never settled as a team this year, some players have never looked ready for the season and I think players like zabba are overplayed. Also I think the bad start meant we have never found our confidence , fitness or mojo

Whilst FFP cannot be blamed for this seasons collapse and particularly yesterdays debacle, the fact is it is designed to keep us behind the ‘top clubs’. In addition to your ‘list’, add Arsenal and Chelsea. The architects of this were only interested in protecting the interests of the existing half dozen dominant clubs - they couldn’t give a shit if City and PSG stay ahead of the thousands of other clubs, so long as we don’t stay ahead of Utd, Arsenal, Barca, Bayern and Madrid etc. That is what this is all about and guess what? it’s working and at this rate things are going to get worse. Currently, we have the benefit of the spending over the last 5 years (if the word ‘benefit’ is appropriate given recent performances), but slowly and surely, the advantage of our spending power that we had between 2008-2013 will disappear and the big clubs will take their pick of the best as usual. We may cement our perennial position in the top 4 in the Premier League, but in the long term, that is all it will be because the clubs who spend the most generally win the most. Given our trials and tribulations over the last 50 years, a solid top 4 position may sound OK, but I doubt that is what the owners had in mind when they bought the club and hosed money into it.