City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

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Still nothing, no?

Thought not.

Another thought, City could always receive their share of annual TV money up front, like many teams in the Premier League do?

Everton have done this to bail them out of the shit.

We can do it to show enhanced profits a year ahead.

Every 12 months.

As things stand, we will collect £95m if we are champions.

But £50m of that is part of the standard pool.
 
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<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10812167/Uefa-and-Michel-Platini-are-missing-the-real-targets-with-their-50-million-fine-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

When Abu Dhabi’s rulers first decided to build a bonfire of hundreds of millions of pounds at Manchester City they would have laughed at the idea that blowing money was a crime punishable by Uefa sanctions. Imagine that: a sport where they throw a £50 million penalty at you for excessive generosity.
Strictly, Financial Fair Play (FFP) is an anti-subsidy initiative by a game that prostrates itself to foreign billionaires and then ticks them off for investing too much. It defiles the World Cup by awarding it to Qatar, then disapproves of Qatari spending at Paris St-Germain.
It says little about rampant ticket price inflation, the huge sums extracted by agents or grotesque individual player salaries. Whichever way you turn it, Uefa’s clumsy lunge at “fairness” has ended up being about two gulf states who jumped into football as an act of future-proofing because their oil was running out.
No torch is being held here for sovereign wealth. But the distortion of the London house market by foreign speculators, for example, is a far more serious issue than City paying Sergio Agüero’s wages via a so-called sweetheart deal with Etihad Airways.
Uefa-ologists might have spotted that president Michel Platini enjoys a cosy relationship with Qatar, who chose Paris as their investment outlet, and that it might have been somewhat awkward for Europe’s governing body to punish PSG without also directing their disapproval at City.

The clubs hit hardest by these arbitrary actions are those who had to spend heavily to raise underperforming clubs into the elite. City and PSG both fit this profile.
It was no surprise, then, to find Roman Abramovich broadly supportive of the FFP principle. Chelsea’s owner had already torched the kind of cash City and PSG have burned in the last three years. By endorsing the move to have such extravagance cast as a crime, Abramovich was simply blocking the way to new tycoons and therefore protecting his competitive advantage.
From Sheikh Mansour of Abu Dhabi’s viewpoint, a £50 million fine doubtless leaves a kind of moral stain. It implies financial doping, or even cheating, with its suggestion that the £35 million-a-year Etihad deal was really a polite way to cook the books.
As with PSG and the Qatari tourist board (£167 million), Uefa clearly believe that the deal was inflated to allow one part of an oil-rich state to subsidise another. And they might be right.
Yet the people who struck those deals are unlikely to appreciate being singled out in an industry that is synonymous with creative accounting. If in doubt, consider the mess Barcelona got themselves into over Neymar.
Nobody wants an unregulated free for all, or illegality, or the crushing of the poor by the rich. But Uefa’s punishment of City takes no account of the direction in which the club is heading or the socially constructive investment in the Etihad Campus in a deprived part of Manchester. Shiekh Mansour and his entourage are not philanthropists, but nor does their spending fit the template of outright decadence.
So far all that expenditure has bought them one Premier League title and not much headway in Europe. There is no wholesale buying of trophies because the Premier League is too competitive to allow it. This season City have had to fight Liverpool and Chelsea for the championship. The seductive allure of FFP is that helps the poorer against the richer. All it might do in this case is to make Abu Dhabi resent being stigmatised and cause them to question Uefa’s motives. You can see the speech bubble now: “They take our money and then fine us for giving it to them?”
A much greater problem, certainly in England, is clubs being ram-raided by speculators who seek to suck money out, not put it in. Portsmouth and Birmingham City are just two examples of clubs that have been treated like lumps of meat on an “investment” menu.
Many of us would like to see regulation attack that issue before the Uefa bureaucracy drives through arbitrary penalties against a club (City) who are putting money in, rather than taking it out, however vulgar it might sometimes seem.
Where is the £50 million fine for the Glazers for servicing their debts from Manchester United’s revenues? On this evidence, FFP is mere grandstanding.

Paul Hayward also banging the City drum
 
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BlueDejong said:
Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 18h
So Man City are going to be fined £50m for putting too much money in but the Glazers are not fined for taking lots of money out. FFP.

Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 18h
The City-United comparison was to make a point about the arbitrary nature of FFP. I know it's about spend-what-you-earn.

Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 1h
Man City tried to comply with FFP. PSG didn't. But they're being treated the same. Tells you a lot about Qatari influence in world football.

Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 1h
Ok, City tried and failed. The point was about PSG, who aren't objecting to their punishment. Uefa's scale of justice not working.

Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 1h
A pattern of pro-Uefa views from, say, Chelsea and Arsenal fans. Both have billionaires. FFP is to protect Europe's cartel from 'new' money.

Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 52m
Try to avoid moral relativism, but Barcelona's Neymar tax fraud far more offensive than Man City's summer splurge. Campus at PSG? Unlikely.

Paul Hayward ‏@_PaulHayward 14h
Man City's £50m fine is arbitrary nonsense. Comment <a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10812167/Uefa-missing-the-real-targets-with-their-50-million-fine-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a> …

Fucking agree, Paul.

Brave of him to openly call it a "cartel". Quite striking in fact.
 
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JGL07 said:
GaudinoMotors said:
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
The thing I find incomprehensible about FFPR is that it is intended to prevent ALL clubs from spending beyond their means for the good of the game, so why does it only kick in if you play in European competition? What about clubs spending beyond their means that don't qualify, i.e. Monaco, Liverpool?


All you need to know about FFP is that it is the twisted brain child of an Napolean complexed anglophobe, who has then got a cartel of equally jealousy consumed self protectionists to support him; no matter how illogical and irrational the idea is.
Entirely incorrect. You have it the wrong way around.

It was the product of the old G14 clubs attempting to protect their cartel by preventing any other clubs from investing sufficient to challenge them. Platini is just their tool not the instigator. If it was down to Platini then how come the PL has introduced similar measures?

It is down to the likes of Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, etc. They already saw Chelsea crash the party and later City and they don't want any more following that approach.

The Axis powers. Pity the press don't have the balls to start asking some questions of those clubs scheming in all of this. Not a cat in hells chance that Liverpool will fail these rules next year, blind eyes will be turned.
 
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Dirty Harry said:
Though Uefa president Michel Platini has stated that FFP defaulters will not be banned from the Champions League, clubs who refuse to accept the FFP sanction and ultimately take European football’s governing body to the Court of Arbitration for Sport do face that risk.

WTF ? They seriously think they can get away with that in a court that isn't led by kangaroos ? Astonishing.

I've read that a few places and it doesn't look like a quote from Fifa. It's the newspapers finding out what the worst possible outcome is for a headline.

A bit like when some celeb is caught doing something mildly illegal and the stories point out that it's punishable by 'up to three years in prison', when they know the reality is that every gets a slap on the wrist first time round.
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
Still nothing, no?

Thought not.

Another thought, City could always receive their share of annual TV money up front, like many teams in the Premier League do?

Everton have done this to bail them out of the shit.

We can do it to show enhanced profits a year ahead.

Every 12 months.

As things stand, we will collect £95m if we are champions.

But £50m of that is part of the standard pool.
Surely that will come under the Accruals concept?
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
Another thought, City could always receive their share of annual TV money up front, like many teams in the Premier League do?

Everton have done this to bail them out of the shit.

We can do it to show enhanced profits a year ahead.
Doubt we could do that as you can only recognise revenue in the reporting period in which it is actually earned. That's different to taking the cash up front. We used to get season ticket renewal money in before the year-end but we showed it as a deferred crditor in the accounts.
 
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bluenova said:
Chippy_boy said:
MSP said:
Could anyone tell me why Liverpool was not looked at at all?

I have search the FFP rules and can't see anywhere where it says that the licensing requirements and associated FFP obligations do not apply for new applicants.

Honestly, I think they have just made it up on the fly so as to let Liverpool off the hook. After all, the rules were made up to help Liverpool, Arsenal and the like, so they can't have them hurting those clubs can they.

Whilst I enjoy a little Liverpool bashing myself, this does make sense. It's the first year of FFP, and they have spend months reviewing accounts of the clubs from previous years. If they had opened that up to 'possibles' then it would have taken a lot longer. I suspect they may in future years as it won't take as long to audit those they've done previously.

Sorry mate but I cannot agree with that.

1. If the intention was always to "let off" clubs that were not yet in the CL, then the rules should say so. If they do not say so, we can reasonably and quite justifiably assume they are making it up as they go along, which is totally unacceptable.

2. UEFA's inability to audit accounts - were that to be the case - cannot reasonably be used as an excuse to favour one club vs another, when £50m fines are being banded about.

3. Once the CL qualifiers for the next season are known, there's plenty of time for them to submit break-even result information for audit before the season starts. What on earth is the point of auditing break-even results for clubs who have not or may not qualify? A complete waste of time and effort for all concerned.
 
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aguero93:20 said:
trotsky said:
aguero93:20 said:
Go easy on your space bar mate.

Who

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telling folk what to do.

Michelle

Platini

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;-)
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This is the space bar. ;)



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-- Wed May 07, 2014 12:26 pm --

Oh ffs, someone tell me how to post images.
 
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Pam said:
aguero93:20 said:
trotsky said:
Who

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you,

telling folk what to do.

Michelle

Platini

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;-)
This

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enter

key.

This is the space bar. ;)

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And

this

is

a

snivelling

coyote.

-- Wed May 07, 2014 12:26 pm --

Oh ffs, someone tell me how to post images.

A fail of epic proportions!
 

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