City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

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I'm sure UEFA will survive without us. I'm sure we can survive pretty well without UEFA if thats the direction the club chose to take.

Runners-Up League on Tuesday nights should be good to watch on the TV while our players warm up for the weekend league match.
 
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terraloon said:
jrb said:
Anyone know how long such a process would take if it went to court and a final decision?

Probably talking years, aren't we?

And in the mean time, can we be banned from the CL, or have UEFA got to defer punishment until the decision is made?
PB, anyone?

As I pointed out earlier to be granted a club licence all clubs had to sign a legally binding document to abide by UEFA regulations (including FFP) or rulings made by CAS

The first part of the process seems to be just about coming to an end. The next stage , it is rumoured will take about a month and it was reported yesterday that CAS have agreed to fast track any cases referred to them . The inference this whole process will be completed by end of June

In terms of a legal challenge bear in mind The Bosman case started in court in August 1990 and the final ruling wasn't made till December 1995.

Talk Sport onside!
 
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@BluePhil8 said:
Listen. A lot of you are saying City aren't in a position to walk away from the Champion's League.

Let me tell you, we are.

The CHAMPION'S league is a competition which relies on it's prestige. UEFA will not ban us. They won't ban the Champion's of any country because it will fracture and devalue the competition.

Durham is defending us now on talkSPORT but they have been a disgrace over the last few years so they should fuck off.

Of course City are in a position to walk away from the Champions League.

But it's the sentiment that this will damage UEFA more than us that is wrong.<br /><br />-- Wed May 07, 2014 3:15 pm --<br /><br />
EL APACHE TEVEZ said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
EL APACHE TEVEZ said:
Fuck the champions league,we can afford to miss out,they will miss us more than we miss them.

You're dreaming if you think this is the case.
Champions of england not in the chumps league,it will make the competition a bigger farce than it already is.

Mate, you might think it's "a farce", but if it was it wouldn't be the biggest sporting competition there has ever been.
 
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There was a joke article that went around last year about Qatar setting up a new contest with massive price money, thing is tho, if Abu Dhabi and Qatar got together and formed this new contest, with price money that out weighed the CL by a large amount and invited every club from the CL but had a clause that its one or the other, I bet most clubs would join the new contest and pretty much kill off the CL.
 
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We could easily walk away, but it's the players we'd have to worry about. A good number of them would be OK with it, but someone like Aguero aspires to win the Champions League I'm sure.

A 1 year sabbatical would be no risk to the playing squad, IMO, but an indefinite withdrawal could see some of our big hitters become unsettled.
 
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You can bet it would have an effect on the current and incoming players if we did not compete in the UCL.
 
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I suppose the media has won a small victory over us. Instead of focusing and relishing a fantastic occasion today that will signify success and achievement of the club, we are spending our time speculating about speculations.

I think this thread should be locked until after the City game because it is adulterating the positive energy that should be rampant as we get close to winning the 2nd title in 3 years.

The media has got everybody else talking about the FFP nonsense instead of City achievements and we seem to be falling for the same trap.

The first three sentences of this post essentially says the same thing but I am stressing a point.

Enjoy this week and we will deal with the corrupt UEFA afterwards. If they want to play Don Fanucci with us, they will end up getting shot in the face but as I said, what matters now is the two games left in the premier league.
 
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inbetween said:
As Pellegrini said yesterday, most of this news is still pure speculation and is surely subject to ongoing dialogue between City and UEFA and certainly subject to appeal with the sanction being suspended for that period. I seriously doubt UEFA will want to proceed to the courts but they will make it clear to City that the sanctions are simply to make FFP stick. Having read the reported terms of the deal in which we can pay over 3 years and with it being completely written off for FFP calculation purposes, it's hardly worth worrying about. A reduced squad size for next year will make things difficult but the club is now approaching the break even point and with the extra commercial input we will receive from the new television deals we should be able to comply no problem in the future.

The fine amounts to £16.6M a year for 3 years, that's not far off the equivalent of Yaya's or Sergio's wage for the year, it's bog all really. As for the squad restriction, we can make do with it. I'm sure we will be buying 1 or 2 English players like Barkley or Shaw who will be able to make up the squad. It will just take a bit more diligence next year on our part. If you look at the team that played against Barcelona and the team that played most other games, a squad restriction down to 18 wouldn't do us any harm.

Lets face it, the worst sanction for us would be a transfer ban, or a limitation on wages which does not seem to be on the table, that would cause us far more problems than a fine.

As mentioned on the blogs I have seen, City chose to exceed the FFP limit by buying certain players and more so this summer. We even could of sacked Mancini 3 weeks later and avoided the FFP cut off point which would of added £16M to the calculation. We surely chose to do this because we knew that any sanction would not really be serious enough to be of any bother.

I know some seem to think that any fine will be excluded in the same way as monies spent on youth development. I am not so sure .In other documents fines are classified as administration expenses so will have to be funded out of relevant income.
The squad thing may be more of an issue than some are thinking.

If the squad is reduced to 21 there is a requirement that on the A list(players over 21) two have to be goalkeepers. In itself not too much of an issue but bear in mind that that if what is being said is correct 8 of the 21 have to be home association trained but here's the killer 4 of these home grown players have to been with the club for 3 years between the age of 15 &21
 
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We will not walk away from the Champions league.

This club has been built over the last few years with this very competition in mind. Its key both on and off the field and whilst we as fans may still crave domestic cups and the PL, the harsh realities are its the CL where its at.

Watch how much the rags will struggle this season to sign anyone of note given they cant offer CL football to show just how much importance players put on it.
 
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Adrian durham Talk Sport (never liked the bloke to be honest) is sticking up for us.

We have to fight this! don't give in CIty!
 

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